So the fact that the whole OS was designed for a tablet/smartphone is not enough of a reason? Big square icons, swiping, can't disable metro. control panel is a mess...and you ask why? There was a video of a guy who installed 8 on a PC and got his grandfather to try and work on it. He was used to 7 and couldn't find what he was looking for. Oh and I've tried 8 and it blows. I don't think I should use third party software to fix the OS. M$ should have given people a CHOICE of how they want it to look and perform. Win7 + rocket dock is a winner for me.

In other words, you're using a UI mod for 7 and whine about using a UI mod for 8? WTF? "Control Panel" is identical to Windows 7. What was your point behind some anonymous video?

^^ Yea i as thinking the same, there is no reason to update at the moment. Might give it a go at vm!

WTF? Why is everyone bashing Metro so hard? 1. It freaking works 2. You don't have to use it except for Start Menu 3. Start Menu from Win8 is superior to Win7 as you have all the old functionality + better arrangement + better lookups from search by typing. But there are lots of people who haven't even tried and are bashing it all the time. Are you paid for doing that?

as i say in the other windows 8 thread where you bashed me for hating metro, i still hate it, i used a developer preview, i was sratching my head all day while i used it, asking myself: WTF they did to windows? i am not payed by apple or linux to say crap about win 8, i just hate it, it is windows 7 with a stupid and useless interface for desktops, like i say, i stay with windows 7 and wait for SP 1, then move to win 9, which hopefully won't be fail! MS should just had sticked with ARM powered Win 8 and put in on tablet, where it belongs!!

As expected W8 is failing because of Metro and because people don´t need it!!! I´m not going to talk about Metro because we all know about it but people have to realise that there isn´t any valid reason to upgrade from W7 to W8, they are basically the same thing. The fact that W8 is a few seconds faster is meaningless. Not to mention that for the ordinary user W7 is more than enough for their everyday needs, hell even XP is sufficient for most people! And on top of that we have a serious economic crysis at our hands that makes things like buying new PCs or OSes superfluous... So everything is placed for W8 to fail really hard.

I have Windows 7 installed on an SSD and it boots to the desktop from cold in around 30-40 seconds. I always turn my PC off overnight and when it is not being used. I'm not interested in having faster boot up times as I wouldn't notice them. The current boot up time is not an issue for me at all as I'm usually doing something else while my PC boots up; I'm not sat there tapping my fingers on the desktop impatiently waiting for my PC to load up!

WTF? Why is everyone bashing Metro so hard? 1. It freaking works 2. You don't have to use it except for Start Menu 3. Start Menu from Win8 is superior to Win7 as you have all the old functionality + better arrangement + better lookups from search by typing. But there are lots of people who haven't even tried and are bashing it all the time. Are you paid for doing that?

Apart from "new OS bugs" I think 8 is equal to 7, can't really fault either of them (once you adjust to not having a 7 start menu)

That article isn’t really talking about W8 being bad though, but the PC sector as a whole it says expectations for October and November are high, but not for December, and the release of W8 isn’t likely to change that until the second half of 2013. It also mentions issues with Intel’s new Ultrabook. It’s actually an article saying that the PC industry is in trouble at the moment, but with a sensationalist anti W8 headline. I know many people would like to see W8 fail, but the huge and possibly irreversible damage it would do to PC’s if it did fail isn’t something people should be wishing for.

Meh, I find W8 easy to use after a few days. I can see it being difficult for novice users though as there isn't a tutorial after a fresh install. That's at least in the TechNet version. It has some nice features too that makes it more powerful than W7. It's a benefit to the business environment.

I have Windows 7 installed on an SSD and it boots to the desktop from cold in around 30-40 seconds. I always turn my PC off overnight and when it is not being used. I'm not interested in having faster boot up times as I wouldn't notice them. The current boot up time is not an issue for me at all as I'm usually doing something else while my PC boots up; I'm not sat there tapping my fingers on the desktop impatiently waiting for my PC to load up!

So long? i had it under 10 seconds and 5 seconds with Windows 8, what crap have you installed? 🤓

So long? i had it under 10 seconds and 5 seconds with Windows 8, what crap have you installed? 🤓

Depends on the bios/uefi start up stuff. My X58 board booted in like 20ish seconds with all the crap that it checked. My current board boots in like 5-7ish or something

I hope they make Windows XP 2 some day.

All they need to do is have an option to install Desktop only and ignore the Metro UI and bring back the Start Bar.

I hope they make Windows XP 2 some day.

Only thing I miss from XP is the folder up button. I used Win2k more back then. :s

I have Windows 7 installed on an SSD and it boots to the desktop from cold in around 30-40 seconds. I always turn my PC off overnight and when it is not being used. I'm not interested in having faster boot up times as I wouldn't notice them. The current boot up time is not an issue for me at all as I'm usually doing something else while my PC boots up; I'm not sat there tapping my fingers on the desktop impatiently waiting for my PC to load up!

So long? My PC takes 40-50 seconds to boot up from a REGULAR SATA HDD!

It could have been so much better. Like I said earlier and many times before, for desktop and laptops it's very poorly designed. Some people try and defend this, and even if they do find the new start menu 'useable', it certainly doesn't win any beauty contests.

That is all personal preference though, the opinion changes depending on who you ask. As i said, this article isn't about W8 being good or bad, it's about the PC market being in a bad state right now, and that W8 won't help matters until well into 2013.

In other words, you're using a UI mod for 7 and whine about using a UI mod for 8? WTF? "Control Panel" is identical to Windows 7. What was your point behind some anonymous video?

UI mod? Rocketdock is an app launcher, useful to those that have many apps/games. Even without it, I don't lose functionality, but convenience - I prefer it to the taskbar stacking. It's nonintrusive and doesn't hit me in the face every time I boot into windows. The control panel's default view is the metro crap unless you change it. Not sure if it sticks. The point behind the video is that a regular user is unable to transition from Win7 to 8 and can't get things done. Apple is a good example of how a company can extend functionality while not making it a hurdle for it's users. Companies that know where most of their money is coming from are not jumping on the 8 wagon.

Only thing I miss from XP is the folder up button. I used Win2k more back then. :s

And info on how much hdd space is left. XP is also more lightweight in general.

^^ Sounds good thatguy. :thumbup: I liked the part about the GPU, CPU & SSD.

^^ Never paid for windows updates before :P Im gonna wait on this one. hows it it for gaming?

for me no better but that was the rtm, i didnt find metro to be as bad as what people said it was but i dont see why they didnt just make a mod pack instead of trying to push the whole os on people

Personally i could not care less about the start menu. I never use it anyway since i'm a kb shortcuts junkie. What i hate about windows 8 is the inconsistency. It reminds me Vista a lot. A half baked UI overhaul that will mature just in time for Windows 9. The difference is Vista UI overhaul was needed. Windows 8 UI overhaul while needed for tablets was not so much needed for desktop. Some of the options can be changed via metro. Some can't (ie clock). Some apps will be metro others will remain desktop. Support will be inconsistency at best for a long time. I fear that even with the final version of Windows 8 users will go back and forth beetween metro and desktop on a regular basis and this is my main problem with the os on a desktop/laptop computer. I wish the users would have an option to remain in desktop mode and show the start screen as the desktop background. I wish the users would have the possibility to run metro apps (RT apps) in windowed mode (encapsulated in a window) so they could stay in the desktop even while running metro apps and control panels. I'm gonna skip Windows 8. I will probably install it as a secondary os on my programming laptop to mess with Windows 8 Store and development but my main OS will remain Windows 7 until metro mature a little bit more with Windows 9. To me Windows 8 will be a miss like Windows Vista. Not a bad OS by any means but not mature enough to use it as my main OS.