Glottiz:

You are absolutely right, I wouldn't even expect any other way. I don't know why some are calling BS, maybe they are 1080Ti owners in denial 😀

IIRC the 970 was at most equal to a 780Ti, same with 1070 and 980Ti... 980&1080 were ~20% better than 780Ti&980Ti. But hey, maybe my memory deceives me, but I did have both 970s and 1070. Either way, I'd be happy for more horsepower, even on the "lower" end upcoming cards, but I have a feeling that we're still a while away from launch as nvidia will probably like to clean current stock first. Especially since they're basically competing with themselves at this point.

HWgeek:

BS, NV has no need to unleash such performance boost while there is still no competition to 1080TI, I think that 20%~30% performance boost is more reasonable (1170 vs 1070 / 1180 vs 1080 etc).

That's not how it works, companies are there to make money not to make you happy but if they don't make you happy they don't sell so yeah, investors are waiting for a new inflow of money and that's what the new GPUs are for, there was no competition for the 1080 back then and they still release it, the closest thing (on average) to the GTX1080 from AMD was the Vega 64 that came pretty much one year after the 1080.

Solfaur:

IIRC the 970 was at most equal to a 780Ti, same with 1070 and 980Ti... 980&1080 were ~20% better than 780Ti&980Ti. But hey, maybe my memory deceives me, but I did have both 970s and 1070.

The drivers made the 970 better at launch it was only better than the 780Ti bit a small margin and lower in others especially at higher res like 1440p. The Vega 64 for example is better than ever thanks to driver updates, something i haven't seen in Years from NVIDIA was the release notes with "XX80 performance improved by X% in X game". Anyway idc if this news are fake or not, unless the next XX80 is a beast vs what the 1080 was i'll wait for next XX80 Ti 🙂

The next lot of AMD cards are on the way, I wouldn't say there's no competition by the time these products are released.

HWgeek:

BS, NV has no need to unleash such performance boost while there is still no competition to 1080TI, I think that 20%~30% performance boost is more reasonable (1170 vs 1070 / 1180 vs 1080 etc).

If you consider that Nvidia is pushing their 4k 144Hz display tech, however, it would make sense to have video cards that can actually feed such monitors 144 frames per second at great detail levels. If their upcoming top video card (xx80 Ti or whatever) would indeed be capable to do so with ultra settings, then it would make sense that the xx70 tier is around the 1080Ti level of performance to drive 4k on ultra detail at around 60 frames per second (and a xx80 at around 100-120FPS). I'm not saying this will be the case, but it would make sense to me, if they were indeed capable to pull it off. They might very well be, depending on how much potential they had been holding back with Pascal and how well the optimization process has gone since. Such a boost in performance from one series to another certainly wouldn't be a novum either. Another thing to consider is pricing and how much more a new xx70 would cost compared to a 1070 at release. If it costs considerably more (if Nvidia's recent pricing strategy is any indication, it likely will), performance must be considerably better as well. That said, it might all just be fabricated and actual performance might be worse or better. At this point it's all speculation. We'll see once the card is released to know more. 😉

HardwareCaps:

next 1070 faster than the 1080Ti? let me gif that bullshit: https://media1.tenor.com/images/207c9d3a0ee0f64265c1293a33666a75/tenor.gif?itemid=5583470

This has always been the case. For example current gen goes as follows: 1060 >= 980 1070>= 980ti 1080 >1070 1080ti>1080

Anyone who supports this is real I would like to remind you that the Bios on GPUs can be amended to display what ever card they want yes? As long as the drivers are compatible with the product code the string value can change and display even Vega 64 or "Panos". This is a GTX1080ti with different Bios header value. It takes 5 minutes to replace the name. Also the way 3dMark is working, it should display that the benchmark wasn't valid since the card product code should have been new and unknown at the point of the benchmark. It even does so on new drivers all the time for heaven sake. Don't be that gullible.

Stormyandcold:

The next lot of AMD cards are on the way, I wouldn't say there's no competition by the time these products are released.

the question is when.... AMD doesn't seem to be close to a major new release... nothing that could threaten nvidia at least

rock1m1:

This has always been the case. For example current gen goes as follows: 1060 >= 980 1070>= 980ti 1080 >1070 1080ti>1080

yes compare 28nm lithography with 16nm...we won't have that same jump now.

Seems to good to be true. And with the lack of any real competition, i really don´t see Nvidia pushing the envelope this hard. In case this is legit, then i can´t wait for the next Guru3d christmas contest!

HardwareCaps:

the question is when.... AMD doesn't seem to be close to a major new release... nothing that could threaten nvidia at least

Yup. the only thing to come from AMD GPU's this year should be a 12nm refresh of the Polaris GPU's. Early next year they might have a thing to show, and I suspect they are keeping some stuff very quiet in case they need it around Xmas time 😉

Evildead666:

Yup. the only thing to come from AMD GPU's this year should be a 12nm refresh of the Polaris GPU's. Early next year they might have a thing to show, and I suspect they are keeping some stuff very quiet in case they need it around Xmas time 😉

For me it seems like they are focusing AI/datacenter for next year. so no competition again.

rock1m1:

This has always been the case. For example current gen goes as follows: 1060 >= 980 1070>= 980ti 1080 >1070 1080ti>1080

Well tbh 980ti will beat 1070 when both get an decent oc. Reason why 1070 at stock is ahead is because of the clock difference. Unless they have similar clock difference or way more cuda cores I can't see the same repeating with 1170. Unless they pulled some magic out of their ass and gained in cuda core efficiency.

What's next, 24GB x80 🙄?

EL1TE:

Except it has been like this for years? The 1070 beat the 980 Ti also? The 970 also beat the 780 Ti because there was no 800 series for desktops, nothing new here. I dunno where people who posted here calling this BS have been, new to PC hardware?

Actually the 1070 is slower than 980Ti when both are clocked at max, same story for the 980 and 1060. A 1170 won't beat a 2100mhz 1080Ti unless the architecture is radically different.

EL1TE:

Except it has been like this for years? I dunno where people who posted here calling this BS have been, new to PC hardware?

I see where you're coming from, but:

HardwareCaps:

for Pascal we saw a huge node improvement, from 28nm to 16nm. Maxwell was a huge jump with new architecture design, I just don't see that going for next gen cards. All indicators show a refreshed pascal with some extra features and improved node "12nm" (still same tech). also I'd say they next gen cards are still far away, Nvidia has no reason to release cards while Pascal stock is high and there's no competition.

I think it is very reasonable to expect the 1170 to beat (or at least be close to) the 1080, but I don't think it's likely that it'll beat the 1080Ti. EDIT: If the 1170 does beat a 1080Ti, I'd be curious how much more expensive it'd be vs the 1070.

The only way the 1170 beats the 1080Ti is if it ships at ~500-600mm2, which would mean 1180 at ~800mm2. 12nm even on the 6.5T library doesn't offer much in the way of power/speed improvements.. 10% at most.

Why is everyone so riled up about this? Even if this is fake, the 1170 beating, or at least matching the 1080 Ti is what one would expect. Actually people would raise eye brows if this wasn't the case. What's so weird about it? I don't get it :-/

Not going to happen unless they are using 7nm. 12nm will not allow for such a gain as to allow an "1170" to beat a 1080Ti and still accomodate an "1180" and "1180Ti". Just not going to happen without 7nm process....

Bring it on!!!! PLEASE!!!!! This is what I'll be upgrading to for sure... 11 series the win i hope!! GIMME.......GIMME........GIMME!!!! Been happily waiting since the OG TITAN's for some killer powah.

Fediuld:

Anyone who supports this is real I would like to remind you that the Bios on GPUs can be amended to display what ever card they want yes? As long as the drivers are compatible with the product code the string value can change and display even Vega 64 or "Panos". This is a GTX1080ti with different Bios header value. It takes 5 minutes to replace the name. Also the way 3dMark is working, it should display that the benchmark wasn't valid since the card product code should have been new and unknown at the point of the benchmark. It even does so on new drivers all the time for heaven sake. Don't be that gullible.

I don't think a BIOS mod was required for this at all, just Photoshop skills. The entry is only a photo of a screen and there is no corresponding entry on 3DMark. I agree that you'd have to be pretty gullible to believe any of this - it is clearly fake.