NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4090 tested in benchmark; 60% faster than RTX 3090 Ti

fantaskarsef

2022-10-03 10:00

The differences in performance and pricing between Nvidia's cards no longer follow a linear parallel but they diverge logarithmically or exponentially. The top product is no longer priced +XX% because it gives +XX% performance. Any measures in "good deal" or "bad deal" are out the window with that, and it degenerates to a simple "I feel it's too much" or "I feel it's worth" decision, highly subjective in nature.

#6056911

Dragam1337

2022-10-03 10:31

Astyanax:

have you met the Titan RTX?

Titan V was even worse... im not surprised nvidia lowered their prices following that, cause i'd imagine that extremely few people bought them. But the whole titan brand was just invented to rip people off for chips that would previously have been used in x80 models.

#6056926

anxious_f0x

2022-10-03 11:29

Let's not forget the $2999 Titan Z while we're at it. 😛 People also seem to have extremely short memories when it comes to peak crypto scalping prices of the 3000 series cards which far exceed the price of the 4000 series, until they themselves get scalped that is.

#6056941

asturur

2022-10-03 12:20

Dragam1337:

Last 2 years? Either you are new to the tech bizz, or you just don't know what you are talking about. Nvidia started this BS back with kepler and the titan. Nvidia has now dropped the titan name, but it is essentially what the x90 model is. Do i think 1500 for a gpu is a fair price? No, but the 4090 price is alot more fair than the price for the "4080" models.

The Titan was never taken in consideration for gaming, was a workstation GPU all the time

#6056943

Sukovsky

2022-10-03 12:29

People comparing 3090 to Titans. It's not the titan. Titan was 5% faster than the top tier card, which you bought for 7-800 bucks. You pay double now for the top tier card.

#6056945

Dragam1337

2022-10-03 12:38

asturur:

The Titan was never taken in consideration for gaming, was a workstation GPU all the time

Someone has been on a serious diet of nvidia bs pr...

#6056946

Dragam1337

2022-10-03 12:41

Sukovsky:

People comparing 3090 to Titans. It's not the titan. Titan was 5% faster than the top tier card, which you bought for 7-800 bucks. You pay double now for the top tier card.

You do realize that what you are describing is the exact same situation as with the 3000 series, right? Well, evidently you don't... The 3080 had a msrp of 700 usd, with the 3090 being 10% faster and "double" vram - the exact same situation as throughout the entire time that the titan was part of nvidia's lineup... the only difference being that "titan" was renamed to x90.

#6056954

schmidtbag

2022-10-03 14:34

I almost always disagree with @Dragam1337 but this time he's definitely right - the 4090 relatively speaking is not a bad value. The ##90s are basically just the new Titans. They're halo products - they're not meant to be good values. You buy them because you want the best and you're willing to pay for it. They are artificially expensive. Compared to the 3090, the 4090 is priced totally fine. The 4090, on paper, is a very significant improvement. While I am strongly opposed to products that are priced based on performance level compared to last gen, the 4090 isn't priced that way, so it's honestly a pretty good situation for that model. All of us can agree the 4080s are overpriced.

#6056958

H83

2022-10-03 14:51

Reddoguk:

Jumps in performance will get smaller and smaller as we get near the limit of making these chips smaller. I just watched a program about seeing atoms using the latest electron microscopes. This made me realise that 4-5 nm is incredibly small and thin. The top end AD102 die found in the 4090 packs 76.3 billion transistors, which represents a whopping near 2.7x increase over the 28.3 billion transistors found in the RTX 3090's GA102 die. This size difference between 8nm and 5nm is where that performance will come from. Where do we go from here, probably next is 3nm but the difference will be smaller. Maybe 3nm will give us over 100 billion transistors. I don't know if it will be possible to go lower than 3nm without losing electrons but thats probably 2 or 3 years from now.

So, Nvidia is going to release new GPUs two years after the 3000 series, with a full node shrink over the crappy Samsung node, with more than double transistors than the latter, with a much higher TDP and much higher clocks, and despite all this the cards can`t deliver a 100% performance uplift over the 3000 series??? I know performance doesn`t increase linearly and a signficant budget of transistors are not used for more performance but still something seems to be way off. After all, what`s the point of all the advancements of the 4000 series if it doesn`t deliver a (very) big performance jump?

#6056959

Netherwind

2022-10-03 14:55

Astyanax:

have you met the Titan RTX?

First of all, I did say "one of". Second of all, the Titan was marketed as a luxury product and not a mainstream product.

#6056961

Dragam1337

2022-10-03 15:01

Netherwind:

First of all, I did say "one of". Second of all, the Titan was marketed as a luxury product and not a mainstream product.

... Are you people really as gullible as to believe nvidias bs marketing? The titan is the EXACT same thing as the x90 models...

#6056962

Dragam1337

2022-10-03 15:02

H83:

So, Nvidia is going to release new GPUs two years after the 3000 series, with a full node shrink over the crappy Samsung node, with more than double transistors than the latter, with a much higher TDP and much higher clocks, and despite all this the cards can`t deliver a 100% performance uplift over the 3000 series??? I know performance doesn`t increase linearly and a signficant budget of transistors are not used for more performance but still something seems to be way off. After all, what`s the point of all the advancements of the 4000 series if it doesn`t deliver a (very) big performance jump?

2 digit iq confirmed...

#6056963

mackintosh

2022-10-03 15:04

If the 4090 has an uplift of between 75% to 100% that of the fake-4080, then its price makes sense. It would essentially become the 90-tier card of old. Except this one wouldn't suffer from any of the drawbacks of the old designs.

#6056968

southamptonfc

2022-10-03 15:31

The 3090 was about 50% faster than a 2080ti, so 60% between the 4090 and 3090 sounds believable.

#6056975

king-dubs

2022-10-03 16:29

Dragam1337:

Titan V was even worse... im not surprised nvidia lowered their prices following that, cause i'd imagine that extremely few people bought them. But the whole titan brand was just invented to rip people off for chips that would previously have been used in x80 models.

For general consumers sure, but I know many companies doing deep learning bought them up in droves. Because they're a steal for the compute power and vram vs $10,000 quadros

#6056978

Dragam1337

2022-10-03 16:36

king-dubs:

For general consumers sure, but I know many companies doing deep learning bought them up in droves. Because they're a steal for the compute power and vram vs $10,000 quadros

Which would also be a reason that nvidia got rid of the titan lineup, and disabled specific quadro features on the x90 models aswell as lowered prices. Made x90 appeal to consumers and forced businesses to buy the much more expensive quadro cards.

#6056996

CPC_RedDawn

2022-10-03 18:03

Dragam1337:

Last 2 years? Either you are new to the tech bizz, or you just don't know what you are talking about. Nvidia started this BS back with kepler and the titan. Nvidia has now dropped the titan name, but it is essentially what the x90 model is. Do i think 1500 for a gpu is a fair price? No, but the 4090 price is alot more fair than the price for the "4080" models.

3090's are not titan class card though, didn't titans have double precision whereas the 3090's have that toned down?

#6057001

Dragam1337

2022-10-03 18:26

CPC_RedDawn:

3090's are not titan class card though, didn't titans have double precision whereas the 3090's have that toned down?

FP64 performance was crippled on titan rtx aswell. But yes, previously that was (part of) the selling point of the titan cards. Really though, it was only a minor point. Starting with kepler, nvidia limited the big chip for the titan cards, meaning the 680 got the midrange gk104 chip and was SIGNIFICANTLY slower than the titan - about 50% at 1440p and up. https://www.techpowerup.com/review/nvidia-geforce-gtx-titan/15.html The same was the case with case with maxwell - 980 vs maxwell titan. And again with pascal - 1080 vs pascal titan. With maxwell and pascal we got 980 ti and 1080 ti one year after the release of the corresponding titan card for roughly half the price and 10% less performance. The last 2 gens were exceptions to this trend, with turing that was purely due to turing being too slow for nvidia to pull this shinanigans, and they had to realease the 2080 ti right off the bat. And the same with ampere, amds performance was so good that nvidia was forced to use the big chip in the 3080 to remain on top. But i reckon it will be back to the shinanigans with ada - the 4090 (aka titan) being 50% faster than "4080" (which gets a midrange chip, just like the 680) at high res, and nvidia likely releasing a 4080 ti one year later, with performance 10% off the 4090.

#6057048

Netherwind

2022-10-03 22:36

Dragam1337:

... Are you people really as gullible as to believe nvidias bs marketing? The titan is the EXACT same thing as the x90 models...

I don't remember the Titan products being made by any other company than nVidia?

#6057051

Undying

2022-10-03 22:43

You guys think nvidia will bring titan branding back? Maybe there wont be 4090ti but a Ada Titan RTX again.