From what I have gathered, it could be a bit faster than a FuryX at the same clocks. There have been a lot of of internal changes, mostly for better console chips (and hence better games) further down the line. If they make the hardware available for console, it will be used, and then on PC's. Not the way things should be happening, but there you go. When was the last time you saw a game ported TO console, rather than the opposite . 😉 edit : we'll just have to wait and see. I'm hoping for a Vega for my next build.

think about how big that chip is compared to 1080... also HBM2 is expensive... if it's really meant to go against 1080 then I fear they will have a short run, because the 1080 is simply seriously overpriced. It would be a no-brainer for nVidia simply to slash the prices of 1070/1080 and they would still earn a lot of profit. *i'm no expert... just some thoughts. But I do hope for everyones sake it's going against the 1080ti. If that early Doom demo was of any indication then it will perform at least as good as a 1080 and that was back in december with an early sample. ** only 20 000 cards ready for launch, because of HBM2 limited quantity. things look bleak for AMD. But then again, 1080/1070 prices are spiking again too because of limited availability. http://www.tweaktown.com/news/57418/amd-radeon-rx-vega-less-20-000-available-launch/index.html

Here you go:https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2871/radeon-rx-vega From what I can gather is AMD is doing what it does best. Offer a solid performer, at a really competitive price. Looks like the Vega will come in between Gtx 1070 and Gtx 1080, closer to the 1080, in base performance.

Not sure I'd give too much "final" credit to that page tbh. It states a base clock of 1GHz for the Vega with a boost of 1.2GHz.

Not sure I'd give too much "final" credit to that page tbh. It states a base clock of 1GHz for the Vega with a boost of 1.2GHz.

AMD's current fab process/design seems to top out at 1.5-1.6GHz. I'd expect 1-1.2 for low, 1.2-1.4 for mid, and 1.4+ for high end WC.

Yeah, but, in 3yrs time it'll run as good as a GTX1070. Fine wine tech ftw :banana:

From what I can gather is AMD is doing what it does best. Offer a solid performer, at a really competitive price. Looks like the Vega will come in between Gtx 1070 and Gtx 1080, closer to the 1080, in base performance.

It will be a resounding success if it can deliver a base model between 1070 and 1080 for $350ish. If higher model can deliver 1080ti for ~500 even more goodness. Right now, the majority of gamers can't afford a 1070 or better. AMD will make 1080 performance mainstream which will move the gaming industry and games forward faster. I'm guessing there will be a high end 1080xp version with water cooler, for less cost as well for this first generation. We will see. Again, consumers will win because NVidia will be forced to slash prices again if AMD delivers 1080 performance at 1070 or lower price. Intel and NVidia milking technology has held the industry back, making this much power mainstream will move the entire computing industry forward, if AMD can survive long enough to profit from their innovation.

Sandbagging? Anyone else get this sneaking suspicion AMD is sandbagging just a little bit with some of these "leaks"?

I mean for the love of GOD who in their right mind would believe that amd after two years made another fury x???

Well if you look at the history of GPU's then you will find that it has happened in the past that the end result from a new lineup is on par with the old lineup... The thing is after 2 years of RnD AMD will be forced to send their product into the market given the amount of money they invested into it, irrespective whether it's on par with Fury X. Now don't get me wrong here, I'm not saying this is the case, I'm only saying that nothing is impossible...

It will be a resounding success if it can deliver a base model between 1070 and 1080 for $350ish. If higher model can deliver 1080ti for ~500 even more goodness. Right now, the majority of gamers can't afford a 1070 or better. AMD will make 1080 performance mainstream which will move the gaming industry and games forward faster. I'm guessing there will be a high end 1080xp version with water cooler, for less cost as well for this first generation. We will see. Again, consumers will win because NVidia will be forced to slash prices again if AMD delivers 1080 performance at 1070 or lower price. Intel and NVidia milking technology has held the industry back, making this much power mainstream will move the entire computing industry forward, if AMD can survive long enough to profit from their innovation.

The 1070 is the fifth most popular card on steam and you can currently buy it at the same price point of the most popular card on steam, the 970 when it was released. https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01HHCA1IO/ So I'm not sure why you think the pricing is outrageous or out of reach with the gaming community. It has 3x the marketshare of the RX480, which is significantly cheaper. Also this idea that AMD should massively undercut it's competition is really dumb. They basically burned through 30% of their remaining cash for Ryzen/Vega supply. They are only forecasting a 14% increase YoY with Ryzen/Vega out next quarter. And you're suggesting that AMD undercut Nvidia by $150 with a chip that's not only larger but has a more expensive memory mounting process? If the card is within 5% of a 1080Ti in an average of 30 games or whatever - they should be charging $650 or more for it.

From what I can gather is AMD is doing what it does best. Offer a solid performer, at a really competitive price. Looks like the Vega will come in between Gtx 1070 and Gtx 1080, closer to the 1080, in base performance.

i.e. a VGA not suitable for 4K....???

Anyone else get this sneaking suspicion AMD is sandbagging just a little bit with some of these "leaks"?

No. They're losing money and their market-share has fallen to almost nothing in the high end of the GPU market. They have absolutely no reason to sandbag. They have every reason to put out the best performing card they possibly can, and get as many people as possible to shout it from the rooftops. They need every possible advantage they can get to claw their way back into this space.

No. They're losing money and their market-share has fallen to almost nothing in the high end of the GPU market. They have absolutely no reason to sandbag. They have every reason to put out the best performing card they possibly can, and get as many people as possible to shout it from the rooftops. They need every possible advantage they can get to claw their way back into this space.

And yet they aren't - which I find really weird. Like, they know every day that passes that more and more potential Vega customers are buying 1080Ti's and yet they haven't released a morsel of performance information about Vega in the last few months really. What's more concerning is that Nvidia's GTC conference is this week and rumor is that Nvidia will have some Volta information there - similar to the Pascal info they released a year prior to it's launch at GTC 2015. It's all going to be deep learning/server focused stuff - but it's going to draw attention away from Vega in general if they do show stuff.

And yet they aren't - which I find really weird. Like, they know every day that passes that more and more potential Vega customers are buying 1080Ti's and yet they haven't released a morsel of performance information about Vega in the last few months really.

Personal opinion: AMD showed Vega running Doom in 4K a few months ago, and that was basically a best case scenario for them. The performance was just on par with a 1080. I understand drivers can improve over time, but not %20 performance across the board. So it seems pretty obvious this card is going to be a 1070/1080 competitor, not a 1080 Ti competitor. Nvidia will drop price on the 1070/1080 the following week to stay competitive, and any price-to-performance ratio AMD might have had will evaporate. I'm sure it will give the AMD fanbase something to be excited about, but I think Maxwell customers will have very little reason to move over to the red team. We have seen nothing to indicate they have a card capable of coming within 5% performance of the 1080 Ti - just people's hopes and expectations. This is the exact same thing we saw with Fury X.

What's more concerning is that Nvidia's GTC conference is this week and rumor is that Nvidia will have some Volta information there - similar to the Pascal info they released a year prior to it's launch at GTC 2015. It's all going to be deep learning/server focused stuff - but it's going to draw attention away from Vega in general if they do show stuff.

For sure. The 11xx series of GPUs can't be that far off. The 970 and 980 came out about 10 months after the 780 Ti. The 1080 Ti hit in March, so that put's us around December or January for the 1170/1180 release, assuming we have a similar generation. Maybe March makes more sense given AMD will probably not have much competition. Before anyone jumps my ass about that last statement, the 1060 has 4.5x the market-share of the RX 480. If you look at the details under "DirectX 11 Systems (Vista/Win7/Win8/Win10 with DX 11/12 GPU)", the 1060 has 3.92%, while the 480 has 0.86%. AMD's best efforts just aren't giving people a reason like Nvidia's cards are. I would love to see that change because competition benefits the consumer. But given we haven't seen it happen in a few years, I don't know how anyone can expect magic this time around...

And yet they aren't - which I find really weird. Like, they know every day that passes that more and more potential Vega customers are buying 1080Ti's and yet they haven't released a morsel of performance information about Vega in the last few months really. What's more concerning is that Nvidia's GTC conference is this week and rumor is that Nvidia will have some Volta information there - similar to the Pascal info they released a year prior to it's launch at GTC 2015. It's all going to be deep learning/server focused stuff - but it's going to draw attention away from Vega in general if they do show stuff.

Yep. They kept some hype going on with Fury for quite some time even if it was a let down and this time we don't have even that. Of course they also might to surprise us positively to make us interested again in their coming products. Now I have 1080TI coming (tomorrow?) and I dont really care about waiting for Vega only to see that I should have bought the 1080TI earlier for the same price. Hopefully Vega will deliver, so when I consider the 1180TI I would actually be eager to wait what AMD will put out that time before making my decision.

Holy crap no wonder AMD's stocks keep going down - half of you have the most unrealistic expectations. You whine about hype that YOU created, and somehow think a SINGLE synthetic benchmark of an incomplete GPU is a solid representation of what it will be like. It's not AMD's fault you're all disappointed. Nobody of credibility, not even AMD, claimed this was going to outperform a 1080Ti, so if that's the performance you're expecting you might as well skip Vega 10. AMD said it will match a 1080Ti, which in AMD's terms usually means "in a best case scenario". In other words - you should know better to take such claims with a grain of salt. Outperforming a 1070 while likely being at a lower price point would be great. A 1070 is a very fine GPU for 2K gaming. Meanwhile, a 1080 is overkill for 2K and not quite good enough for 4K. Even if this manages to perform as good as a 1080, it likely have a price point a little lower than a 1070. Hardly something to complain about. Keep in mind these tests involved a Ryzen CPU. As we all know, Ryzen is underwhelming (but adequate) when it comes to gaming performance.

Wow, that Timespy score is impressive, 55% faster than my overclocked GTX 1070! Although, that's around ballpark GTX 1080ti I think, so it's only impressive compared to Pascal, and probably won't be impressive against Volta. EDIT: yep, GTX 1080ti Founders Edition got 9521 GPU score in Timespy, (http://www.guru3d.com/articles_pages/geforce_gtx_1080_ti_review,30.html), and this AMD leak is showing 10158 GPU score, so very similar in performance to GTX 1080ti. (The Firestrike score is pretty low, my overclocked GTX 1070 is 18% faster, obviously a different GPU I would say).

The TimeSpy bench is showing 1080ti - TitanX like performance. So just wait and see.

Here you go:https://www.techpowerup.com/gpudb/2871/radeon-rx-vega From what I can gather is AMD is doing what it does best. Offer a solid performer, at a really competitive price. Looks like the Vega will come in between Gtx 1070 and Gtx 1080, closer to the 1080, in base performance.

are you stupid? This graphics card is not released yet. Data on this page may change in the future.

The timespy entry is fake. there's absolutely no reason to believe it's real.

The timespy entry is fake. there's absolutely no reason to believe it's real.

But there are all the reasons to believe any other leak?