Valve is no longer a company that makes games. Valve is a company that makes platforms to take a cut from. Pity.

Well, making games is a huge risk these days. Why take a risk when you can do nothing and still rake in cash?

Well, making games is a huge risk these days. Why take a risk when you can do nothing and still rake in cash?

Because Valve has nothing to lose? They own the platform it would be distributed on so they can advertise it for cheap (or free). And if it flops, so what? They don't depend on that for revenue, so as long as they get a profit (or close enough to one) it's not like developing it was a mistake.

You people are missing one big piece of the equation.. The HTC Vive! That is where all their effort is going. They are probably working on a game, but its for the Vive. The lab mini game is really cool and just shows you that Valve is still innovative. Why they haven't made L4D 3/ Half Life 3 yet is beyond baffling, but I'm sure its because they put all their resources and effort into the Vive.

I'm sure a lot of them are willing to, but good luck getting the tights from Valve.

Sorry isn't this Valve the company where if you want to wander in to the office and spend five of your eight and a half hours writing better jerk off software you can go ahead and do that? Why would he leave a company where the employees are meant to be able to work on whatever project they feel like, if he really wanted to work on HL3 then surely he could have done?

Because Valve's reputation is important. They are considered one of the better (good guy) software companies around, if they tarnish their reputation they will lose a lot.

Their rep was tarnished the day they gave the thumbs up to Steam Greenlight or how about that f*cking shambles that was paid for mods. The reason Valve doesn't make games any more is because making games requires them to invest time and effort in to the project to gain a pay off, far better to make a pay off from other peoples time, effort and investment.

Do people really think Valve should release a crappy HL3 to cash in on the name, and then never make another game again? Would it negatively affect Steam as a DD platform, i think there is a possibility. I really don't agree that bringing out something bad or even mediocre would not be damaging in the long term, and i find it strange that people are suggesting such a thing. Maybe just do a "HD remaster of HL2" but call it HL3.

Well, making games is a huge risk these days. Why take a risk when you can do nothing and still rake in cash?

I don't know, ask Blizzard. They don't have to make a 200 million dollar game. Hell, all the Portal games were really cheap projects. It's just a pity to see one of the best game developers go out of with a wimp like this. Valve used to make such good games that managed to force feed us Steam when everybody was hating its guts. That's how good their games were. Such a pity.

VALVe haven't released a game since 2013

The Lab, 2016

The Lab, 2016

That's not a game, it's a series of VR experiments.

That's not a game, it's a series of VR experiments.

Still a game.

Having Dota2, CS:GO and TF2 on hands is already lots of work. Maybe Valve want to keep limited number of projects at the same time. And they actually do release a new "game". Dota is ported to a Source2 engine, so while its the same dota2 by the looks, Engine is different. So its not like Valve doing nothing, they evolve and polish what they have now. They also push new trends. I have feeling they might of shrink TF2 team and move them on a new project. Maybe it was done long time ago...

Still a game.

This is a big conversation, but no, it's not a game. It's literally a series of experiments in VR, it's even in the Steam description for it.

This is a big conversation, but no, it's not a game. It's literally a series of experiments in VR, it's even in the Steam description for it.

agree to disagree

This is a big conversation, but no, it's not a game. It's literally a series of experiments in VR, it's even in the Steam description for it.

I dont think you can tell if its a game or not. Would Alien Swarm also be a presentation of Source Engine capabilities, to train its developers AND not be a game?

I dont think you can tell if its a game or not. Would Alien Swarm also be a presentation of Source Engine capabilities, to train its developers AND not be a game?

In my opinion, if it's something that you can enjoy and play, it's a game. Otherwise, what else would it be. From this games specific page: ABOUT THIS GAME (<---i did not write this, this is a direct copy and paste from steams page) Set in a pocket universe of Aperture Science, The Lab offers a wide range of ways to enjoy VR, all in one application. Slingshot Begin your career as a Calibration Trainee by recklessly destroying everything in the Aperture Storage Annex using the Core Calibration slingshot. <---- there are games that are not VR that are just like this Longbow Use your archery skills to defend your noble castle gate from a rampaging but adorable and equally noble horde of attackers. <-- there are, again, games that are just like this. Xortex Are you a bad enough dude to become a Xortex ace? Relive the golden era of gaming -- only this time, it's all around you. <--- not really sure what this one is, but very specifically states game right in the label Postcards Visit exotic, far-off locales from the comfort of your own head. <-- this one would be iffy, and yet there are games that are just like this, and are not VR Human Medical Scan Explore the intricate beauty of the human body through a highly detailed model created from a series of CT medical scans. <--- this one would be iffy, and yet there are games that are just like this, and are not VR Solar System Why watch shows about the vast majesty of space when you can jump in and see it for yourself? Have educational space-fun while putting Neil Degrasse-Tyson out of business. <--- this one would be iffy, and yet there are games that are just like this, and are not VR Robot Repair Can you repair a robot? Good, because Aperture Science's Human Diversity Outreach Program is now hiring. <---- there are games that are not VR that are just like this Secret Shop The fantasy equivalent of a twenty-four-hour convenience store is now open for business! Peruse artifacts, shop for familiars and cast a spell or two at Dota's Secret Shop! <--- this one would be iffy, and yet there are games that are just like this, and are not VR In the end, if the product is designed for you to enjoy and play, and you can do so, then it's a game. But, that's just my take. Certainly looks like this guy is enjoying playing this game. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tz0PIKAY2t8

You guys are really ignoring the obvious: HL3 would have so much hype around it, it'd be a daunting task to make it good enough such that the people would be happy. That's because HL and HL2 are some of the best games of all times. I don't think it's as simple as some of you seem to think.

That doesn't make sense from a business perspective though. They know that even if it didn't measure up, it would sell millions of copies anyway. Note that I'm not talking about a mediocre cash in attempt. Valve doesn't do that. They would take the time to make sure it's fun. Even Alien Swarm, a glorified tech demo, was fairly well balanced and fun. I think it's exactly as simple as we think. Gabe simply has decided he's not interested in developing a final chapter in the series. His reasons are only known to him, but it's been 10 years now. If he wanted to do it, he would have. It's free money. Gabe likes money. All his top Half Life related talent has left the company since then, so it's definitely not going to measure up now even if it was being made.

Yes i´m contradicting myself but there´s an easy explanation for that, no matter how successful HL3 could be, in the end it would be pocket change for them because of how much money they make daily from Steam and because can´t monetize the game like DOTA or Counter Strike. As for the tarnishing their reputation, we are talking about the company that profits from selling broken games in alpha/beta and wants to sell mods! So spare me from the "Valve is one of the good guys" nonsense. They are a company interested in making money, same as all the others... Not to mention if Valve was so good, they would have released H3 a long time ago to satisfy their fans...

So just because Valve, just like AMD, Intel, Nvidia, EA, CDPR and the others, exist to make money it means they're all bad? Is that it? They're not charities, they're companies, yes. Everyone knows they exist in order to make money (okay, not everyone - many of them fanboy around). Except some companies don't care about their users and some do. AMD for example doesn't make a habit of ripping people off, unlike Nvidia. But if you're putting Valve in the same basket as EA or Ubisoft, you're absolutely delusional. And I'm not saying Valve are saints either. Saints to me at this point are CDPR.

Their rep was tarnished the day they gave the thumbs up to Steam Greenlight or how about that f*cking shambles that was paid for mods. The reason Valve doesn't make games any more is because making games requires them to invest time and effort in to the project to gain a pay off, far better to make a pay off from other peoples time, effort and investment.

Yet they made back most of that reputation by actually listening to their ****ing customers, unlike some companies. Paid mods were scrapped and Greenlight, while poorly executed, had the right idea. Not to mention that they don't make a habit of ripping people off, like I said earlier about Nvidia. Their games are cheap and implement cosmetic microtransactions. There's absolutely nothing wrong with that and I don't see their reputation being in the dirt. Look at Ubisoft as a comparison.

I don't know, ask Blizzard. They don't have to make a 200 million dollar game. Hell, all the Portal games were really cheap projects. It's just a pity to see one of the best game developers go out of with a wimp like this. Valve used to make such good games that managed to force feed us Steam when everybody was hating its guts. That's how good their games were. Such a pity.

Blizzard have gone full retard if you ask me, and there's a cult following that company so at this point they can release anything they want. We had SC2, great. We had D3, okay it had its problems but nice. Hearthstone is not my thing but I can see how it's fun, seriously. Then came HotS, I can't for the life of me figure out who the hell takes that game so seriously when there's DOTA and LoL around, games with a much higher competitive presence. Then comes the icing on the cake: Overwatch. What the ****, people are arguing how it's the best arena game so far and it should be more present in the competitive scene. First off, you can't call OW an arena game when Quake and UT exist. OW is more similar to Smite and paladins, which are more or less MOBAs. And the competitive scene isn't taking it seriously because it's a casual game by design. Blizzard had to implement asses in it to help sales okay? That in itself says a lot about the company. What I mean to transmit through this angry rant is that it's better if Valve don't follow Blizzard's footsteps. If they don't want to make games anymore so be it. I'd rather have my sweet memories of HL2 than ill memories of a potential Valvezzard. I don't want to see mindless Valve drones gouging up everything they sh!t. Seriously. But realistically, the trend will shift from DOTA and CS:GO at some point. I can bet my ass that Valve is going to move with the trend when this happens.

Do people really think Valve should release a crappy HL3 to cash in on the name, and then never make another game again? Would it negatively affect Steam as a DD platform, i think there is a possibility. I really don't agree that bringing out something bad or even mediocre would not be damaging in the long term, and i find it strange that people are suggesting such a thing. Maybe just do a "HD remaster of HL2" but call it HL3.

I think people are mistaking Valve's recent absence in the new game industry with their absence in development. They've been working on Source2 so obviously they wouldn't do that just to port Dota2 to it. They're heavily investing in open-source and VR right now. Most people don't realize this but Valve is playing the long game. Time will tell if it pays off. And if it doesn't, it's not like they're going to go bankrupt. They're making a truckload of money from their platform.

That doesn't make sense from a business perspective though. They know that even if it didn't measure up, it would sell millions of copies anyway. Note that I'm not talking about a mediocre cash in attempt. Valve doesn't do that. They would take the time to make sure it's fun. Even Alien Swarm, a glorified tech demo, was fairly well balanced and fun. I think it's exactly as simple as we think. Gabe simply has decided he's not interested in developing a final chapter in the series. His reasons are only known to him, but it's been 10 years now. If he wanted to do it, he would have. It's free money. Gabe likes money. All his top Half Life related talent has left the company since then, so it's definitely not going to measure up now even if it was being made.

Okay, maybe. But your idea doesn't make much sense from a business perspective either imo. I don't think Gabe would put his personal whims stand in the way of cash or the success of his company. It doesn't strike like he's ruling Valve like a mogul to me. I think they plan to HL3.. at some point. They've got their hands full with CS:GO, DOTA2, VR and open source at this point. They did say a while back that they were hoping for some next generation motion capture stuff such that they can make more realistic organic companions (Alyx) instead of manually animating them. If they're waiting on tech, I wouldn't be surprised if polished and mainstream VR will hint at a HL3.