sverek:

If Zen2 actually manages to pull the number and take the gaming crown from Intel, I wonder if they gonna keep prices the same. Would they just replace Zen+ (2700x) with 3700x for the same price, or sell it for more?

Well if this happens I just hope people buying Intel and claiming that highest performance means you can ask whatever price you want will continue to be that coherent with the Ryzen CPUs. 🙂

cryohellinc:

Go AMD! Meanwhile at Intel. https://media1.tenor.com/images/4ca2d9bbb5ceec99f242d4b50f04aedd/tenor.gif?itemid=8323903

Lol agree with you. If The clocs will be like 4,7-8 ghz for turbo it will be damn good CPU.

Petr V:

Lol agree with you. If The clocs will be like 4,7-8 ghz for turbo it will be damn good CPU.

I will be really surprised if they will be that high. Personally, I expect them to be around 4.4 / 4.5ghz. Besides, don't forget that AMDs IPC > Intels IPC, where 4.5ghz AMD processor will have a performance of approx 4.6/4.7 ghz Intel.

10% higher (real world IPC) and higher clocks are enought, i hope B350 MB supports it, grettings

Well with an early engineering sample clocked at 4.5GHz I think 4.7 / 4.8GHz should be attainable. I'm sure AMD would like to see 5GHz on the high end (binned?) chips and TBH I'm half expecting it, 12nm down to 7nm with all the architectural improvements as well, come on AMD 😉

cryohellinc:

I will be really surprised if they will be that high. Personally, I expect them to be around 4.4 / 4.5ghz. Besides, don't forget that AMDs IPC > Intels IPC, where 4.5ghz AMD processor will have a performance of approx 4.6/4.7 ghz Intel.

I am optimist 😀

Well I saw on YT video, where with 3866ddr4, 2080ti guy compared 2700x, 9900k,8700k,and 9700k. At 4.2ghz. Sure. Amd combo was eaten more power than intels. But results...differences between cpus was at average, or 1%min just minimal. Like 1-5fps. Both sides. Once 9700/9900k better, once 2700k... So IF they increase IPC, with some gains in clocks, well, will be fun;)

Are the TSMC production lines big enough for all the stuff they are supposed to be manufacturing? We know one reason why Intel charges obnoxious prices is because they can't make as many CPUs as they could sell. In other words, they could charge less, but the only result would be making customers happier (which is something Intel couldn't care any less about), since they couldn't sell more due to not having enough units to sell. Can the same situation be avoided with TSMC? When they are producing at full capacity, they might as well raise the prices. AMD would have no choice but to raise the CPU wholesale prices accordingly. GlobalFoundries really made a nasty decision, though no doubt partly because their Samsung low power, mobile oriented tech couldn't compete with TSMC in higher power parts.

GREGIX:

Well I saw on YT video, where with 3866ddr4, 2080ti guy compared 2700x, 9900k,8700k,and 9700k. At 4.2ghz. Sure. Amd combo was eaten more power than intels. But results...differences between cpus was at average, or 1%min just minimal. Like 1-5fps. Both sides. Once 9700/9900k better, once 2700k... So IF they increase IPC, with some gains in clocks, well, will be fun;)

pretty sure the AMD system isn't capable of 3866ddr4 even with Samsung B die

I think it depends on what you do with it when it comes to the IPC but yeah, it's going to be nice! All we need now is fair priced GPU from AMD. As for miners. My 4 2080ti's are making me way more money then AMD ever thought about. As for mining I'm sticking with nvidia. AMD for everything else, Help us AMD!

GREGIX:

Well I saw on YT video, where with 3866ddr4, 2080ti guy compared 2700x, 9900k,8700k,and 9700k. At 4.2ghz. Sure. Amd combo was eaten more power than intels. But results...differences between cpus was at average, or 1%min just minimal. Like 1-5fps. Both sides. Once 9700/9900k better, once 2700k... So IF they increase IPC, with some gains in clocks, well, will be fun;)

I presume a 2080Ti wasn't tested on FHD. And as you step above FHD, the <10% performance advantage of similar Intel CPUs disappear on 1440P, not to speak of 4K.

No matter how good it is, must wait a few months after release. To iron out bios bugs, mem compatibility, motherboard revisions, etc.

Well, maybe I do not remember mems speed correctly. Tests was done in all main resolutions so 1080p, 1440p, and 2kp. At 1440p and above results were flat/equal. Check it out yourself channel is For Gamers. Dunno why cannot now paste link to it on my phone...

So that's a 29% IPC increase, and then you have to add on the affect of the increased frequency too. So, if Zen 2 can hit say 4.7Ghz, and their current gen Ryzen is at 4.2 Ghz, then we've got a 12% increase in frequency with Zen 2 as well. IPC increase combined with frequency increase = 1.29*1.12 = 1.43, which means potentially a 43% increase in performance over current gen Ryzen. That's a big increase in performance, and all done without the addition of more cores, which is great news for gaming & other applications too.

Robbo9999:

So that's a 29% IPC increase, and then you have to add on the affect of the increased frequency too. So, if Zen 2 can hit say 4.7Ghz, and their current gen Ryzen is at 4.2 Ghz, then we've got a 12% increase in frequency with Zen 2 as well. IPC increase combined with frequency increase = 1.29*1.12 = 1.43, which means potentially a 43% increase in performance over current gen Ryzen. That's a big increase in performance, and all done without the addition of more cores, which is great news for gaming & other applications too.

The quoted IPC increase is with a specific workload that makes partial use of AVX - AMD's AVX implementation has been lacking compared to Intel and it's something they've doubled the performance of in Zen 2. You're not getting 29% uplift in games - I think they stated general IPC is ~15%.. but even that is going to be fairly workload specific. Very rarely are their IPC tweaks that lift everything.

fantaskarsef:

IF they do come out on top, they will charge more than for the 2700X. Although they will probably still stay below Intel's pricing, I guess.

Yes, I'm sure they will charge more for the 3700X vs the 2700X, but, I'm also pretty sure it'll cost less than the 9700K. Dr. Su is playing this game to win and does not seem to be taking AMD's successes for granted. Previous generation Ryzens have had price drops even before the competing Intel chips were released. Nobody asked for them to be cheaper, but they were made cheaper anyway. Nobody expected them to make a 32c/64t Threadripper (at least not this soon), but they did anyway. They've been putting in a hell of a lot more effort in marketing, whether that be fancy display cases, TV commercials, or taking advantage of headline news that affects Intel. So considering AMD's track record, I think they're going to go strong and make the 3000 series still very competitively priced, even if it outperforms Intel. Right now they're trying to increase their popularity, which not only is proving to work, but is a better long-term profit than gaining extra cash just because they're taking the lead in something. And on that note, I'm sure Intel will still have the performance crown for gaming. I'm guessing one of the biggest reasons Intel hasn't really committed to 10nm is because they can't retain their extra high clock speeds, which currently is what's keeping them in such a lead.

At the end of the day, probably the most important thing is that they get more big business customers. I hope they do, but I expect many are tied to Intel for years in their contracts.

My only question is when?

FrostNixon:

My only question is when?

Ryzen 2 will be out probably Q2 2019. Now if only AMD did the same chiplet design with Polaris: imagine 4 RX580 at 7nm with a controller in between behaving like 1 GPU...now imagine 2 Vega 64 at 7nm...

Silva:

Now if only AMD did the same chiplet design with Polaris: imagine 4 RX580 at 7nm with a controller in between behaving like 1 GPU...now imagine 2 Vega 64 at 7nm...

I wouldn't be surprised if that's already been planned in the future. GPUs would benefit from such a design far better than CPUs.