AMD 'Zen 2' IPC has 29 percent higher IPC

#5605999

Supertribble

2018-11-12 09:29

Zen2 (3700x?) is going to slot in real nice like into my x470 board next year. Not sure what to do with my 2700x tho.

#5606000

fantaskarsef

2018-11-12 09:32

As always, if the benchmarks in real life use (gaming?) show this, I'll be more than happy to buy it. Until then we will have to train in patience 😉

#5606002

Kaarme

2018-11-12 09:34

I could believe 29% IPC increase in certain (rare) workloads, but nowhere near that across all the spectrum of applications. However, if they can get the clocks easily above 4.5, it's just fine.

#5606003

cryohellinc

2018-11-12 09:34

Go AMD! Meanwhile at Intel. https://media1.tenor.com/images/4ca2d9bbb5ceec99f242d4b50f04aedd/tenor.gif?itemid=8323903

#5606005

sverek

2018-11-12 09:38

If Zen2 actually manages to pull the number and take the gaming crown from Intel, I wonder if they gonna keep prices the same. Would they just replace Zen+ (2700x) with 3700x for the same price, or sell it for more?

#5606006

HWgeek

2018-11-12 09:39

Kaarme:

I could believe 29% IPC increase in certain (rare) workloads, but nowhere near that across all the spectrum of applications. However, if they can get the clocks easily above 4.5, it's just fine.

We are talking about server workloads, and the X4 the floating point performance, so it's looks reasonable.

sverek:

If Zen2 actually manages to pull the number and take the gaming crown from Intel, I wonder if they gonna keep prices the same. Would they just replace Zen+ (2700x) with 3700x for the same price, or sell it for more?

As long as AMD got less then 50% market share- there is no reason for "Intel Prices" ;-).

#5606009

fantaskarsef

2018-11-12 09:41

sverek:

If Zen2 actually manages to pull the number and take the gaming crown from Intel, I wonder if they gonna keep prices the same. Would they just replace Zen+ (2700x) with 3700x for the same price, or sell it for more?

IF they do come out on top, they will charge more than for the 2700X. Although they will probably still stay below Intel's pricing, I guess.

#5606014

cryohellinc

2018-11-12 09:53

HWgeek:

As long as AMD got less then 50% market share- there is no reason for "Intel Prices" ;-).

I really doubt Intel has such strong financial base. AMD at its current state is already severely hurting them, anything above 30% of AMD market share will be a disaster for Intel. They were sitting for far too long in a comfortable position, and that's what their financial system is suited for.

#5606015

neikosr0x

2018-11-12 09:59

Well, Next year new CPU for me. I have been a longggg time Intel CPU user but they are releasing shit products every single year. Went and jump back to AMD after idk probably, since 2003 Athlon Fx 2600+. After upgrading to this x470 board everything seems way better than x370 so i will keep on the same train. This board is future proof for another 2 years o 3 years depending.

#5606017

user1

2018-11-12 10:00

I assume most of this is due to improved avx performance. that said, i remember reading an article that mentioned that the biggest weakness of zen1 core is the front end, and that the beef of the core is significantly more powerful, and as a result ends up being choked . with the improved front end, big gains in ipc seem plausible.

#5606023

varkkon

2018-11-12 10:12

Awesome! Man I can't freaking wait for Zen2 Threadrippers, they are going to be epic. Man if those nums are true that is crazy cool. Now if only AMD could just be this insane with their GPUs and go full out, that be amazing! Calling it now 2019 is da year [ fingers crossed ]

#5606026

icedman

2018-11-12 10:34

Just upgraded my mobo with plans to slot the zen2 3600 in that bad boy and my current setup will be my secondary and no more Intel for me and I've been on Intel since I had my celeron D

#5606029

Arbie

2018-11-12 10:43

cryohellinc:

Go AMD! Meanwhile at Intel. https://media1.tenor.com/images/4ca2d9bbb5ceec99f242d4b50f04aedd/tenor.gif?itemid=8323903

Only a mindless AMD fanboy would post something like this. (Wish I'd found it first...)

#5606031

TheDeeGee

2018-11-12 10:47

I'm glad people here told me to hold out for Zen2 :> Intel is digging their own grave asking premium prices for CPUs without Hyperthreading. (Been using Intel since 2008)

#5606033

nizzen

2018-11-12 10:52

My guess is that zen 2 is performing 10% less than 9900k, but costing 20% less. Hoping for 20% faster than 9900k, and costing 30% less. I believe in Santa claus 😉

#5606037

HWgeek

2018-11-12 11:21

sverek:

If Zen2 actually manages to pull the number and take the gaming crown from Intel, I wonder if they gonna keep prices the same. Would they just replace Zen+ (2700x) with 3700x for the same price, or sell it for more?

Nope, as was mentioned - just by going for 7nm AMD can get Extra 1.25X performance uplift or same performance @0.5X power, they choose the 1.25X performance uplift 🙂 So just by this they closed the Gap with 9900K -not to mention the IPC improvements, moreover no one mentioned that Zen2.0 Desktops will be limited to 8C only ;-).

#5606039

nevcairiel

2018-11-12 11:25

If these tests that reference 29% increase include AVX/AVX2 components, then its no wonder, because Zen1 basically had gimped AVX support (emulated by 128-bit units, instead of real 256-bit units). It is well known by now that AVX 256-bit is coming to Zen2. Unfortunately, that kind of "IPC" improvement only benefits a select group of applications.

#5606046

cryohellinc

2018-11-12 11:51