AMD is going for customized 5nm at TSMC for ZEN4 and RDNA3?

Calmmo

2020-04-16 15:16

Yeah, very small mts bump accompanied by a large increase in latency. I had a CL10 2400 ddr3 kit when DDR4 came out on mainsteam intel platforms and I not even once felt like I was missing out on anything until maybe a couple years later when they were pushing significantly higher mts rates.

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sverek

2020-04-16 15:47

Silva:

Modern games wouldn't play on my 2500k so I had to upgrade last summer to Ryzen 2600, it's a world of difference. Now waiting for AM5 so I can upgrade to a cheap last AM4 gen CPU. I love AMD.

Yeah I struggle with grim down multiplayer right now, the amount of mobs just annihilating the CPU.

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schmidtbag

2020-04-16 15:58

Alex13:

I highly doubt DDR5 will be worth it at launch. Just like DDR4 vs DDR3, 5 probably wont be as good as top of the line DDR4. And that's if the controller on that first line of CPU's is even decent. That first Intel DDR4 controller was a nightmare. Guess what I'm saying is if you actually skipped 3950 with that logic and 4000 ends up being even a mild upgrade.. well I say pull the trigger. 🙂 Then again maybe you can wait another 3 years, especially if you don't really use your PC much.

I agree DDR5 will be underwhelming at launch but I highly doubt it will be bad at launch like it was for both Intel and AMD. Intel seemed to rush into it and AMD was overwhelmed with other architecture-related bugs. My CPU is still holding up just fine for my needs, so my next upgrade will likely be a 2nd gen CPU supporting DDR5.

Kaarme:

Damn, I forgot Intel suddenly started dropping the HT, probably due to the security holes. I was remembering i3s are 4/8. My mistake.

I'd say partially for performance and partially for security. Most of Intel's security problems are related to HT. Today, you're lucky to get a 15% performance boost from HT.

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rm082e

2020-04-16 16:15

Zeh:

Actually, I just finished Odyssey with a 4,4ghz 2500k, gtx 1060 6gb and 16gb at 1600mhz. No complaints. It stutters a lot in the benchmark, not so much playing. Enviromental details set to mediim, the rest High. Hint: try Special K mod if you're really sensitive to stutters, I used it and didint notice anything but very mild stuttering in very heavy scenes.

My chip doesn't like anything over 4.2 ghz, so it's not great. I'm running a QHD monitor on a 2070 Super. I had a little stuttering in Origins, then Shadow of the Tomb Raider was pretty rough. From what I was seeing Odyssey is harder on CPUs than either of them. Also, I have a ridiculous backlog of awesome games that run flawlessly now, so I'm happy to play them and wait on Odyssey. I just recently finished Origins at 120+ hours, so I need a break from AC anyway.

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nick0323

2020-04-16 16:22

Truth is there is no right time to upgrade. Just upgrade when you've had enough, you feel the time is right or you have the money. I replaced my 2500k a year ago with the 9700k as I was struggling for FPS in games after all the Intel security patches, no regrets despite all the AMD news and releases like the 3770X. I also sold my 1070GTX to a friend on a 4590k and he only got 100 less points than me on the Superposition benchmark and I couldn't believe how close his score was to mine despite a 5 year generation gap. IMO this shows if you have the 4XXX-9XXX Intel CPU then there isn't a real need to upgrade just yet... Another mate has just upgraded from a 4590 to a Ryzen 3770X purely as his system died. I think if you're on a 3rd gen Intel or older now is a good time to upgrade, but those 2500K units are indestructible!

Undying:

50$ 2600k sais hello. Its much bigger upgrade then you think.

Surely a 3770k would be a better upgrade? Any half-decent motherboard would've had a BIOS update to support Ivy Lake CPU's as the socket was the same.

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NCC1701D

2020-04-16 18:25

nick0323:

I also sold my 1070GTX to a friend on a 4590k and he only got 100 less points than me on the Superposition benchmark and I couldn't believe how close his score was to mine despite a 5 year generation gap. IMO this shows if you have the 4XXX-9XXX Intel CPU then there isn't a real need to upgrade just yet...

Superposition is meant to stress the GPU, so I don't find the similar scores that surprising. There will be some CPU influence, but mostly shown at lower quality presets. Hilbert has a good article on it and he states the following, "It is safe to say that after high quality settings the CPU will not influence overall scores." Link to source article: https://www.guru3d.com/articles-pages/unigine-superposition-performance-benchmarks,2.html

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Fediuld

2020-04-16 20:38

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

New industry reports indicate that AMD is working with TSMC to design a 'custom version' of the 5nm node for its 2021 products. This would allow AMD to optimize the fabrication node better for its p... AMD is going for customized 5nm at TSMC for ZEN4 and RDNA3?

Already using a custom enhanced 7nm process for the PS5 & XBOX APUs, which gives approximately 7% higher clocks or 10% lower power over the normal 7nm the Navi & Zen 2 are made.

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JamesSneed

2020-04-16 21:38

Alex13:

I highly doubt DDR5 will be worth it at launch. Just like DDR4 vs DDR3, 5 probably wont be as good as top of the line DDR4. And that's if the controller on that first line of CPU's is even decent. That first Intel DDR4 controller was a nightmare. Guess what I'm saying is if you actually skipped 3950 with that logic and 4000 ends up being even a mild upgrade.. well I say pull the trigger. 🙂 Then again maybe you can wait another 3 years, especially if you don't really use your PC much.

In a vacuum Im sure you are right however the CPU's designed to go along with DDR5 will likely be very worth it. Im on first gen Ryzen so if my x370 motherboard gets a bios update for the Ryzen 4000 series I'm all over it.

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Kaill

2020-04-17 00:37

sverek:

With AMD constantly releasing more information about their next-gen CPU, I keep waiting for it and postponing upgrades for 2500k... And darn thing won't die to let me replace it... Guess I am skipping this whole DDR4 thing.

Yeah i am the same i have an 8350FX and want to upgrade to ryzen but they just keep improving and improving every year so i just can't pull the trigger.

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RED.Misfit

2020-04-17 01:55

Heating competition in both CPU & GPU with approximately 1 year cycle is a good thing for us and for them, as long as they keep delivering more performance each time and not a few percentage like Intel did for so many years. I wish them luck on that journey. I m eager to change my old skylake to one on these new Zen 4 with their futureproof platform. One and a half year worth of waiting i guess.

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jbscotchman

2020-04-17 02:42

Kaill:

Yeah i am the same i have an 8350FX and want to upgrade to ryzen but they just keep improving and improving every year so i just can't pull the trigger.

I used an FX 8350 for almost 6 years, moving to Ryzen is a massive difference!

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AMDMan2016

2020-04-19 23:23

Went from an AMD FX 8310 in 2016 as it horrible in gaming for some reason, may have been the video card though, AMD Radeon 240, local shop said it couldn't be upgraded as the boards chipset cooler would block a newer card so they said lol So when extra money came later on in 2017, decided well just to spring for an Intel I7 7700 at the time, as friends was telling me, dude get an Intel for your newer gaming system, might decide on an AMD Ryzen 3700X or something maybe in 2021 perhaps. As wanna get the newer MS Flight SIm eventually, not sure how that will run on 4cores/8threads at all

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Aura89

2020-04-20 05:24

fantaskarsef:

So what I'm reading out of this news item... suddenly Ryzen 4k is a 2021 product?

Not sure why people keep thinking that Zen 3, Aka Ryzen 4000 desktop, will be 5nm Also not sure why people keep thinking that Zen 4, is Ryzen 4000 desktop. No matter what has you confused, there will be no AMD, Zen based product, on 5nm, in 2020.

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Denial

2020-04-20 05:32

Aura89:

Also not sure why people keep thinking that Zen 4, is Ryzen 4000 desktop.

Idk I think it's pretty easy to see why people would think that lol.. like yeah if you've been following the AMD scene sure but someone coming into this mid point would definitely assume that and theres plenty of evidence all over this site of people making that assumption. That's totally a brand/marketing screw up by AMD.

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Embra

2020-04-20 13:02

I agree. AMD should have kept the 3's with 3000's and 4's with 4000's. I suppose they got knocked off course.

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Neo Cyrus

2020-04-20 15:22

Undying:

Meanwhile Intel announces new 14nm+ burning lake 150w tdp cpu.

Their CPUs would run relatively cool compared to what we're used to if their TPDs weren't big fat lies based on a best case scenario base speed with zero turbo.