AMD is going for customized 5nm at TSMC for ZEN4 and RDNA3?

sverek

2020-04-16 09:55

With AMD constantly releasing more information about their next-gen CPU, I keep waiting for it and postponing upgrades for 2500k... And darn thing won't die to let me replace it... Guess I am skipping this whole DDR4 thing.

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Undying

2020-04-16 09:59

Meanwhile Intel announces new 14nm+ burning lake 150w tdp cpu.

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Undying

2020-04-16 10:02

sverek:

With AMD constantly releasing more information about their next-gen CPU, I keep waiting for it and postponing upgrades for 2500k... And darn thing won't die to let me replace it... Guess I am skipping this whole DDR4 thing.

50$ 2600k sais hello. Its much bigger upgrade then you think.

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jbscotchman

2020-04-16 10:06

AMD train is moving full steam ahead!

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sverek

2020-04-16 10:09

Undying:

50$ 2600k sais hello. Its much bigger upgrade then you think.

You right, maybe I gonna get it after all, when I feel like messing with the rig.

Undying:

Meanwhile Intel announces new 14nm+ burning lake 150w tdp cpu.

Ahem, 14nm+++++

5th gen Broadwell : 14nm 6th gen Skylake : 14nm+ 7th gen Kaby Lake : 14nm++ 8th gen Coffee Lake : 14nm+++ 9th gen Coffee Lake : 14nm++++ 10th gen Comet Lake : 14nm+++++

I know, losing count here too.

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fantaskarsef

2020-04-16 10:16

So what I'm reading out of this news item... suddenly Ryzen 4k is a 2021 product? Wasn't it still said that it will arrive in late 2020? The first line of the first paragraph somewhat contradicts the first line of the third paragraph... Also, not too keen to see how this 5nm turns out... lower clocks incoming? If it was for me, they could just have perfected their handling of 7nm and be done with it... but that's just my noob impression. Don't fancy months of issues with a new build due to new power plans needed, CPUs not boosting properly, problematic cooling due to stacking CPU cores, let alone completely new coolers needed for any such CPU / GPU, air as well as my intended custom loop.

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Strange Times

2020-04-16 10:55

damn intel only one cpu architecture per generation is a thing now?

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Luc

2020-04-16 11:01

fantaskarsef:

So what I'm reading out of this news item... suddenly Ryzen 4k is a 2021 product? Wasn't it still said that it will arrive in late 2020? The first line of the first paragraph somewhat contradicts the first line of the third paragraph... Also, not too keen to see how this 5nm turns out... lower clocks incoming? If it was for me, they could just have perfected their handling of 7nm and be done with it... but that's just my noob impression. Don't fancy months of issues with a new build due to new power plans needed, CPUs not boosting properly, problematic cooling due to stacking CPU cores, let alone completely new coolers needed for any such CPU / GPU, air as well as my intended custom loop.

Maybe you're confusing Zen 4 with Ryzen 4000, those aren't the same... :P

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Fediuld

2020-04-16 11:36

fantaskarsef:

So what I'm reading out of this news item... suddenly Ryzen 4k is a 2021 product? Wasn't it still said that it will arrive in late 2020? The first line of the first paragraph somewhat contradicts the first line of the third paragraph... Also, not too keen to see how this 5nm turns out... lower clocks incoming? If it was for me, they could just have perfected their handling of 7nm and be done with it... but that's just my noob impression. Don't fancy months of issues with a new build due to new power plans needed, CPUs not boosting properly, problematic cooling due to stacking CPU cores, let alone completely new coolers needed for any such CPU / GPU, air as well as my intended custom loop.

Zen 3 - Ryzen 4000 is out this year. Zen 4 - Ryzen 5000 is coming next year.

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moab600

2020-04-16 12:16

Wonder if upgrade to 4950X or just wait and upgrade all platform to DDR5 when it will be out, though it will be expensive and not so worth it...

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Calmmo

2020-04-16 12:55

I highly doubt DDR5 will be worth it at launch. Just like DDR4 vs DDR3, 5 probably wont be as good as top of the line DDR4. And that's if the controller on that first line of CPU's is even decent. That first Intel DDR4 controller was a nightmare. Guess what I'm saying is if you actually skipped 3950 with that logic and 4000 ends up being even a mild upgrade.. well I say pull the trigger. 🙂 Then again maybe you can wait another 3 years, especially if you don't really use your PC much.

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moab600

2020-04-16 13:14

Alex13:

I highly doubt DDR5 will be worth it at launch. Just like DDR4 vs DDR3, 5 probably wont be as good as top of the line DDR4. And that's if the controller on that first line of CPU's is even decent. That first Intel DDR4 controller was a nightmare. Guess what I'm saying is if you actually skipped 3950 with that logic and 4000 ends up being even a mild upgrade.. well I say pull the trigger. 🙂 Then again maybe you can wait another 3 years, especially if you don't really use your PC much.

True it's not must have but must want so much hehe I wanted the 3950X when it was out of stock everywhere, mainly because i do a lot of heavy photo editing and million things on PC in the same time and the 3700X doing amazing job, in fact i forgot that i wanted the 3950x... But if the 4950X IPC is better by 15% with some decent price, i'll grab it.

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rm082e

2020-04-16 13:36

sverek:

With AMD constantly releasing more information about their next-gen CPU, I keep waiting for it and postponing upgrades for 2500k... And darn thing won't die to let me replace it... Guess I am skipping this whole DDR4 thing.

I have the same "problem" with my 3770k. I'm ready for an upgrade, but Zen2 doesn't quite seem to justify it on a purely gaming machine. But I know I need to upgrade before I play AC: Odyssey.

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Loophole35

2020-04-16 13:43

Alex13:

I highly doubt DDR5 will be worth it at launch. Just like DDR4 vs DDR3, 5 probably wont be as good as top of the line DDR4. And that's if the controller on that first line of CPU's is even decent. That first Intel DDR4 controller was a nightmare. Guess what I'm saying is if you actually skipped 3950 with that logic and 4000 ends up being even a mild upgrade.. well I say pull the trigger. 🙂 Then again maybe you can wait another 3 years, especially if you don't really use your PC much.

What I'm reading is DDR5 with be a floor of 3200MHz. I think we will see some really fast DDR5 at launch (like 4500+MHz). Also the bandwidth at 3200MHz is 1.36x the bandwidth of DDR4. https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/CNNwBHUYxJcoim6XeEi8AK-970-80.jpg This will greatly benefit up coming APU's.

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Kaarme

2020-04-16 13:44

sverek:

With AMD constantly releasing more information about their next-gen CPU, I keep waiting for it and postponing upgrades for 2500k... And darn thing won't die to let me replace it... Guess I am skipping this whole DDR4 thing.

Now that Intel's decade of practical monopoly and no development is over, you will be waiting forever. There's always going to be a better next generation coming out. The truth is, however, that the most basic real CPUs today are better than 2500k. The latest Intel i3s would easily beat it, not to mention Ryzens.

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Fox2232

2020-04-16 14:08

Kaarme:

Now that Intel's decade of practical monopoly and no development is over, you will be waiting forever. There's always going to be a better next generation coming out. The truth is, however, that the most basic real CPUs today are better than 2500k. The latest Intel i3s would easily beat it, not to mention Ryzens.

Latest i3's are 4C/4T, their only benefit over i5-2500k is in higher memory speed. But those CPUs simply stutter in many games when allowed to run uncapped fps. Because games use all available cores and choke OS/driver related threads. It is really no upgrade when chip faces exactly same limitation which is lack of physical/logical cores. Today, new gaming system should have at least 6C/12T for any hope of longevity. 6C/6T is OK, but does not have great future outlook. 4C/8T in no good, it just allows bit more breathing room which 4C/4T lacks. (Especially when intel's HT gets another kick in the balls periodically.)

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Zeh

2020-04-16 14:15

rm082e:

I have the same "problem" with my 3770k. I'm ready for an upgrade, but Zen2 doesn't quite seem to justify it on a purely gaming machine. But I know I need to upgrade before I play AC: Odyssey.

Actually, I just finished Odyssey with a 4,4ghz 2500k, gtx 1060 6gb and 16gb at 1600mhz. No complaints. It stutters a lot in the benchmark, not so much playing. Enviromental details set to mediim, the rest High. Hint: try Special K mod if you're really sensitive to stutters, I used it and didint notice anything but very mild stuttering in very heavy scenes.

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Silva

2020-04-16 14:16

sverek:

With AMD constantly releasing more information about their next-gen CPU, I keep waiting for it and postponing upgrades for 2500k... And darn thing won't die to let me replace it... Guess I am skipping this whole DDR4 thing.

Modern games wouldn't play on my 2500k so I had to upgrade last summer to Ryzen 2600, it's a world of difference. Now waiting for AM5 so I can upgrade to a cheap last AM4 gen CPU. I love AMD.

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Picolete

2020-04-16 14:57

Loophole35:

What I'm reading is DDR5 with be a floor of 3200MHz. I think we will see some really fast DDR5 at launch (like 4500+MHz). Also the bandwidth at 3200MHz is 1.36x the bandwidth of DDR4. This will greatly benefit up coming APU's.

But, aren't DDR timings always bad on the first years?

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Kaarme

2020-04-16 15:14

Fox2232:

Latest i3's are 4C/4T, their only benefit over i5-2500k is in higher memory speed. But those CPUs simply stutter in many games when allowed to run uncapped fps. Because games use all available cores and choke OS/driver related threads. It is really no upgrade when chip faces exactly same limitation which is lack of physical/logical cores. Today, new gaming system should have at least 6C/12T for any hope of longevity. 6C/6T is OK, but does not have great future outlook. 4C/8T in no good, it just allows bit more breathing room which 4C/4T lacks. (Especially when intel's HT gets another kick in the balls periodically.)

Damn, I forgot Intel suddenly started dropping the HT, probably due to the security holes. I was remembering i3s are 4/8. My mistake. Anyway, for anyone that's planning to game on their PC even half seriously, I'd already recommed 8 cores, be it AMD or Intel. The new consoles are going to be 8/16 and everybody knows how wonderful console ports usually are, so I'd feel safer having the same amount of cores. Which is in fact why I got a 3700x, despite it being more expensive than what I'm used to (with i5s).