airbud7:

You Sir, Are Simply Brilliant! ....:D why didn't Microsoft think of that? I hope they see your post!

He makes too much sense for Derpysoft.

At first better they learn how to prepare update that not fcuk completely windows 10. My MSI GT73VR system died after 1803 update in infinite try to revert to old Win10 after failed update. Normaly that is not a problem but on vacation is a real pain in the ass.

My PC never restarts without me wanting to. It always applies updates when i shutdown or restart manually.

Just disable auto updates and check for updates whenever You want to yourself. There's no better solution.

Honestly what is the issue? My system barely updates it self I have to do most of it manually and I haven't changed any settings for it to do so either. The only updates I get regularly, which update by themselves, is Windows Defender definitions most other updates I seem to read about them before they even download and 90% of the time I read about them then I search for them and they pop up.

UnrealGaming:

Just disable auto updates and check for updates whenever You want to yourself. There's no better solution.

were talking win10 here not 7

We've had 3 patches this month already and we still have *another* Tuesday left. Plenty of updates to intrude :P

fantaskarsef:

This is such a hard fail after all... no damn AI needed, just ask the user for a click of permission before the OS checks, downloads, installs, or reboots for updates. It's a f'ing simple as that. Everything else is just hot air out of some technical marketing team's ass.

I think you are grossly over-estimating MS's ability to understand something that is logical, simple, and convenient. "Here at MS, if it isn't bloated, annoying, and/or over-complicated, you're doing it wrong"

fantaskarsef:

just ask the user for a click of permission before the OS checks, downloads, installs, or reboots for updates. It's a f'ing simple as that. Everything else is just hot air out of some technical marketing team's ass.

ubercake:

"Predicting" an automated reboot time is the last thing needed with Windows updates and seems almost irresponsible!

yes and yes my sentiments exactly. fix the minutes long black screen w/ no warning, the automatic d/l and install w/o permission, and forced restarts first... and yeah sounds like a marketing gimmick... I am left only to wonder a few things. Is it really AI or just a marketing gimmick? and does the computation take place in the cloud or locally on my pc? how does it know i went to get a coffee .. hijacking webcam? key-logger? I don't like it either way. already have telemetry from OS, GPU, and god knows what else sucking up resources please no more. feel like my pc's do more work for other ppl than myself these days... wish there was a universal 'turn all this crap off except essential security' option in one switch, not 15 switches and hacking the registry and .inf files...

So... Windows 10 will soon use your best time to restart PC after an update?

So my laptop that I use for tuning my 99 Camaro SS had an update. Mind you 99% of the time it's used for writing and running live diagnostics through the vehicles PCM. Well my brother needed his transmission scanned and had a friend that needed help passing emissions. I fired up my laptop and wasn't in use for a month. Well it did an update and randomly restarted.................... Well it was running and nothing was on the screen. I waited 20 -40 mins then pressed the power button and also tried resetting it. Almost an hour later it shows it updating and went from 30% to 100% within seconds and thank god it started working. I thought my screen failed lol. I can't fuc*** stand Windows 10 and I always get nervous when it does an update. My other laptop/tablet has Windows 10 and when I update that it tends to mess up my wifi drivers and sometimes can't go online. What's funny was that my main PC has Windows 7 and a few days ago it did and update and I chose to install it within my time frame. Well I wanted to play that old game RETURN TO CASTLE WOLFENSTEIN and it won't run!! It was running fine before the update and I mean I just played it a few days before the update. Still can't play it :-( God I hate MICROSOFT!

Glottiz:

It's amazing that they still don't give you an option to manually restart whenever you want. What if I can't have my computer restarting whenever it wants? What if I'm rendering something and need it up for 4 days or 2 weeks?

You know what's more amazing? People commenting about such things on a tech forum, not realising that there is indeed an option to manually restart whenever you want. Who knew? It's so funny when people say stuff like this. I mean, I hear the usual "you cannot stop windows 10 from updating without doing some real trickery" - 100% false. It's very easy to do. On a forum called Guru3d it amazes me how few of you are, in fact, gurus. I guess I am among the few who actually know how to control their OS.

I disabled windows updates ages ago, so no forced restarts for me 🙂

airbud7:

were talking win10 here not 7

Yeah

MICROSOFT will be using this to predict it. [youtube=wz-PtEJEaqY]

I must be the luckiest person having the only two rigs that actually follows the gpeditor setting of not to restart automatically. If the rig needs to be restarted after an update it just sits there till I click on the restart button. The only time it will restart automatically is when the update has been waiting for the restart for over a week. This AI solution is not a solution. It is just more bloat on top of the bloated mess Windows has become. Windows 10 Pro here. Windows Home...have no use for it and never will.

fantaskarsef:

This is such a hard fail after all... no damn AI needed, just ask the user for a click of permission before the OS checks, downloads, installs, or reboots for updates. It's a f'ing simple as that. Everything else is just hot air out of some technical marketing team's ass.

You have to understand that MS has reached the conclusion that their consumers don´t know what they need/want so it´s up to MS to decide for them... That´s the point of W10, to have an OS that decides automatically what to do instead of asking the users what it should do like a normal OS... Common logic is not applied to W10...

The best time to restart my PC after an update is when i say so, deal with it Microsoft.

Glottiz:

I know all about Win Update Group Policies. Problem with your approach, and I tried it, is if you are using Windows Defender you'll get nag to install definition updates 2-3 times every day. It gets very annoying very fast.

I have disabled windows defender, as personaly it was even more annoying than the automatic updates, but I'm quite sure you can disable the notifications in gpedit anyway. There should be an option under windows defender to disable all notifications.

CPC_RedDawn:

Honestly what is the issue? My system barely updates it self I have to do most of it manually and I haven't changed any settings for it to do so either. The only updates I get regularly, which update by themselves, is Windows Defender definitions most other updates I seem to read about them before they even download and 90% of the time I read about them then I search for them and they pop up.

same. but I am OCD about checking manually every day (which most people aren't) so I wouldn't know how they're pushed. for me I check, sometimes it's already d/l-ed, have to click install manually, then when it's done the system menu comes back w/ a red flag asking me to restart, manually. already works pretty perfect imo on redstone 4 enterprise, always updated, but who knows what people are dealing with these days with 5 forks of windows 10, different versions in every fork, and people forcing off updates. that alone explains any erratic behavior imo lol. i did get a permanent black screen once on one old laptop and I had to force restart twice for an auto rollback on that particular patch lol. and I'm not the only one. has since been fixed to be able to fully update by windows updates. exactly the type of issue they're trying to solve. tbh I think this AI it's less about when to restart and more about what machines get what updates. would it not take a super intelligence to match various pieces of software patches to billions of different hardware configurations? ... to me this is an inevitable and sound next step if it works. (let's just hope for MS sake it does cuz they're really selling this AI/perfect updates thing. they should probably have just implemented it unannounced imo, but I'm no marketing professional) p.s. sorry for the triple post glitch while I was editing this I cleaned them up. lol