Denial:

There's situations, areas, etc where I do think DLSS provides better image quality. Take this for example: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/15485 Doom DLSS vs Native QHD.

This area by the door is noticeably more detailed with DLSS in my opinion. But there are other areas in the game here for example: https://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/15490&sa=D&source=hangouts&ust=1625850625112000&usg=AFQjCNH7KyGl4A2JV51Wk6o-C6DbZvGCog At 4K, where even though this part looks better:

With DLSS.. the textures throughout that wall are noticeably worse.

itpro:

@Dragam1337 Thanks for clarifying this. DLSS is indeed disgusting in Metro, Control and CP2077. I thought that my eyesight was broken or overcriticizing things. I cannot imagine playing a cinematic game like RDR2 with such blurriness.

cucaulay malkin:

not how I remember control dlss 2.0 frankly going through my control ss now,I don't recall it being blurry at 1440p dlssq I thought it was crisp af https://ibb.co/KsLnz3Z never played cp2077 but I expected 4k dlssq to be a lot better,this looks like dlssperformance maybe,or ultra perfromance to me I mean there is some degradation maybe,it's not as good as other dlssq,but that image posted above of native and dlssq at 4k shows a tremendous difference. it doesn't look like it's worlds apart here https://www.purepc.pl/misc/img_compare2.php?f1=/image/artykul/2020/12/15_cyberpunk_2077_pc_test_wydajnosci_kart_graficznych_w_ray_tracing_i_dlss_czego_potrzeba_do_grania_na_ultra_nc10_b.jpg&f2=/image/artykul/2020/12/15_cyberpunk_2077_pc_test_wydajnosci_kart_graficznych_w_ray_tracing_i_dlss_czego_potrzeba_do_grania_na_ultra_nc11_b.jpg

Dragam1337:

Control has this soft (blurry) movie-like approach to the image. Does mean that dlss becomes alot less noticable. As for cyberpunk, the difference on the road is due to raytracing being active on the dlss shot, which makes roads super blurry. Rest is just dlss making it blurrier, and less detailed. It ofc stands out more due to me having zoomed way in on the images i posted here, but i did provide the links for the full size images, where the difference (aside of the road) is roughly the same as on the screenshot you linked to. Zoom in on the image you linked to, and it becomes quite apparent there aswell, though not as much as the scene i screenshotted. Also depends on the scene - dlss does ok with plain objects, but highly detailed objects generally lose alot of detail with dlss.

cucaulay malkin:

so one is rt on and the other off ?

cucaulay malkin:

so one is rt on and the other off ?

Denial:

DLSS 2.0 removes the blur in Control which IMO massively improves the quality of the image but it's one of those things.. if the artists intended blur is it really "improving" the image? Or is like CAS/FSR where it's just adjusting the image to something we prefer? It's like Samsung phones - by default their display is over-saturated because most customers prefer saturated colors.. but what you're seeing isn't really what the artist/designer/etc intended. Idk if I'd call DLSS a straight up improvement in image quality but I do think it sometimes improves certain aspects of scenes. Like even in Cyberpunk where it kind of makes things blurrier and ruins RT effects - in the Gnex video that does a comparison, they show a sign in one area that's far more clear with DLSS than it is with Native.

Dragam1337:

I wrote that above the shots. Otherwise it wouldnt make sense that native 4k got higher fps xD But look at the lamp, look at the lightstand, look at the graffiti on the wall... all that detail gets destroyed with dlss. That's exactly the thing... dlss attempts to sharpen everything, which makes it also sharpen things that shouldnt be sharpend - like distant signs. Im constantly conflicted in cyberpunk about whether or not to use raytracing + dlss or just native.

Denial:

It doesn't sharpen anywhere near the native implementation of TAA - see my edit above. [youtube=zUVhfD3jpFE] This was what i was referring too. The DLSS image is no where near sharper but the sign is clearly more complete with DLSS. It's obviously not the best example as it's still unreadable but it basically shows how DLSS can add detail to images that native doesn't even have. Edit: Errr you can't timestamp on Guru3D - 7:48 in the video.

Krizby:

It's true that DLSS doesn't work well in CP2077 IQ wise, even 4K DLSSQ looks softer and lose some texture details, however the new Sharpen+ filter fixes all that Here is how 4K Native looks vs 4K DLSS Performance with Sharpen+ https://ibb.co/KzWcsPB at 200% zoom, which is pixel peeping territory here, still pretty hard to tell which one look better.

Undying:

Should have probably gotten into the game anyway, 3080 is very much capable even without dlss.

Dragam1337:

Im just not a fan of sharpening filters - they give this sharpened look, which yeah... i dont like. Im gonna go ahead and guess the image on the left is the dlss + sharpening, and the image on the right is the native. Doesnt look natural with sharpening imo, and it often hurts my eyes. I dont so much mind a soft image if a game has that at native res (like witcher 3 - unlike most, i dont use any sharpening in that), but what i do mind is the loss of image clarity and detail due to having to use something like dlss. The proper way to increase image clarity is to use downsampling, like here in rdr2 Still looks natural, but much crisper and more detailed. Ofc the performance hit is massive, so sadly aint doable with the wimpy gpus that are available to us today. What i might do though is set my resolution to 8k, and then use dlss upscaling from 4k - might provide a better image quality than native 4k, with only a small performance hit.

Maddness:

Try telling that to my 120hz 4k OLED.

Krizby:

Nah left is 4K Native and right is DLSS Performance with Sharpen+, really fool you with that one huh, DLSS even in Performance mode give better details than 4K Native on thin objects like the electrical cables and better Anti Aliasing all around. Before DLSS 2.2 comes out, DLSS Performance mode often leave more noticeable trailing artifacts but as of version 2.2, the Performance mode is really good, it just give you 2x the FPS without any noticeable IQ loss (when combined with Sharpen+). Here is another example in Watch Dogs Legion https://ibb.co/SySH5jX Same here 😀

Dragam1337:

I'd like to see proof of that - as there is no proof of what pic is what, you can just say whatever fits your argument.

Krizby:

It's true that DLSS doesn't work well in CP2077 IQ wise, even 4K DLSSQ looks softer and lose some texture details, however the new Sharpen+ filter fixes all that Here is how 4K Native looks vs 4K DLSS Performance with Sharpen+ https://ibb.co/KzWcsPB