SWAPGSAttack: New vulnerability hits Intel processors starting at Ivy Bridge
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airbud7
no it won't...just settle for second place....amd fanboys everywhere?
Kool64
Whatever helps you sleep better at night.
airbud7
:D
something told me I would light a fire with that comment...But still a 9900k/2080ti is King No?
enthusiast.
jwb1
AMD is also affected, but of course this place doesn't want to talk about it and wants to just take AMD's word for it that they don't think they are affected. Yet, when Intel puts statements out saying security issues are fixed on their end, they still get attacked. The narrative becomes turn off Hyperthreading you will be hacked, even though Intel says that is untrue, yet people here still believe that. Hilarious.
https://www.cnet.com/news/hardware-vulnerability-bypasses-spectre-and-meltdown-patches/
"It impacts all Windows systems using Intel and AMD processors since 2012."
Kool64
of course it is but If I cared about being the best I wouldn't have bought a GTX 1070(though only the 1080 was out back then) Plus at the time I had an i7980 so it would have choked on that even as it did with my 1070. I mean I COULD have bought an RX480...... for like $100 less than I paid for the 1070 just before the big mining crunch started.
schmidtbag
Perhaps you should do more reading beyond the first 2 sentences? Or look up more than one source? There are 4 possible ways to trigger this exploit. AMD can only be affected by 1 of them, and that method can only be exploited if you don't already have the spectre v1 mitigation. I'm not sure how far back AMD mitigated spectre V1 (to my recollection, they intended to go back to Bulldozer; not sure if they did), so it's possible some their models from 2012 are affected by that 1 exploit.
That being said, as long as you have an updated system, AMD is actually unaffected. MS and Red Hat were just trying to cover their asses since they're responsible for deploying fixes and don't want to get blamed for misjudging on something that they don't have enough proof of. This isn't the first time this happened - there were other moments kernel-level security patches were applied to AMD despite them not being affected. Once enough testing has been done, the patches can make exceptions, if necessary.
arstechnica goes into more detail about all of this.
EDIT:
So just to clarify, it's a bit too soon to declare AMD totally unaffected, but so far the evidence we have available suggests they aren't.
jwb1
I'm sick of the hypocrisy. With Intel the reports and narrative from people is that OMG the sky is falling. Don't buy Intel you'll get hacked! Look at the title of this article by Hilbert. Total clickbait and bias. Which is absurd. Both AMD and Intel have security issues. Both are working on fixing them and in conjunction with other companies. And there could be more we don't know about yet. Look how many new ones have appeared in a short matter of time.
No company is immune. Hell, with the way pricing is going right now with AMD and them backtracking on pulling support for features that can work on X470, they are by no means a white knight.
schmidtbag
There's no hypocrisy; AMD is ostensibly totally immune. Also, it was discovered until later today (after this article was posted) that, without the spectre v1 mitigation, AMD is vulnerable to one of the 4 methods to exploit SWAPAGS. That being said, AMD actually isn't working on a fix, because there isn't anything for them to work on; the fix for them has already been available before this vulnerability was discovered.
I agree that the fearmongering people have toward Intel is getting old, but, this isn't hypocrisy.
Clouseau
AMD has backtracked on nothing concerning PCIe 4.0. AMD stated from day one that the 4.0 spec was only going to be supported for the X570 chipset boards. It is the individual manufacturers that went and implemented the features on the older chipsets. It is no different than when the board makers advertised bioses that unlocked disabled cores in Phenom CPUs.
The whole sky is falling has been around since the beginning of time. Doom sayers will always be among us. It is just a matter of filtering them out. When the 800lbs gorilla in the room is torn apart by whatever, it does not bode well for the market as a whole. The stain is felt on everything. Does not matter what AMD has to say concerning their vulnerability. They both cross license from each other. Plus to take either corporation at their word would be extremely naïve. Independent third party confirmation is what is needed to have proof one way or another.
airbud7
Hey...I love this place and Hilbert....
But I have to agree with you....where is the 7700k/6700k in gaming benchmarks?....
it jumps straight to an i5-6600?
tsunami231
I would love to see the 6700k and 7700k in benches too they are anything but irrelevant cpu's
sykozis
You sure seem to have 1 hell of an Intel bias..... I'm guessing you didn't see a problem with the CTS report of AMD "vulnerabilities" that were released to a media group known for stock hits, who released it to the public, prior to notifying AMD of the claimed "vulnerabilities"...
I'm so sick of the Intel/NVidia bias on this forum that I've considered several times leaving and not returning. There are even people comparing AMD's current GPUs against NVidia's future GPUs and declaring them failures based on what NVidia might achieve next year. How much does Intel pay you people to shill for them?
airbud7
bias?.....show me where amd could beat a 9900k/2080ti setup?...seems like you're the AMD fanboy.
you're no enthusiast...you're the one that's biased.
-Tj-
So only Ivybridge is affected.. not really a big deal. At first I thought it was all again xD
D3M1G0D
You should re-read the title and the article - it affects all Intel processors STARTING AT Ivy Bridge (so 3000 series onwards).
sverek
Who let the dog out? 😀
(Woof, woof, woof woof....)
airbud7
So i can't say Nvidia has the fastest gaming graphics card and intel fastest gaming processor?
9900k/2080ti...?....No?
So I should be quiet because it doesn't fit the narrative?
I'll take that Ban with pride!
Shagula
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/gpu_displays/amd_radeon_rx_5700_and_rx_5700_xt_review/9
Well here’s a mid range AMD card out performing a 2080ti...
schmidtbag
This has got to be one of the lamest threads I've ever been on in years. More than half of it is just people whining and being deliberately antagonistic.
Aura89
This thread has been relatively fine from my perspective, albeit a little confusing since context to many posts don't exist. I'd say i'd recommend doing what i do and ignoring airbud7 since his name was listed, but i can only assume based off of peoples posts and the way they are replying that jwb1 is probably here, maybe even a few other people. But i don't actually recommend doing that, makes reading things confusing as stated before, i just wish they'd finally get banned from these forums. Too much leniency towards obvious trouble-making intentional fanboys on this forum.
