I just think that is crazy for people to just ignore the screen, it's like arguing over an amp while ignore the speakers. I'm an Nvidia guy and have been for about 8-9years now, i even prefer their business model and feel that better the devil you know. The problem is that i'm also a TV gamer so take no interest in monitors, but when i found out that Samsung were making Freesync monitors, even if it was a curved screen it still made me reconsider the Nvidia side of things. I do think that it's a risky strategy from AMD as small price cuts via the GPU and the screen would undo it all for AMD, but if total system cost is lower with AMD then why does it matter than the Nvidia GPU is cheaper.

Maybe its good at mining crypto and as those people driven prices up, if its mines like 2a3 times as fast as a rx580 they will sell like hotcakes

I just think that is crazy for people to just ignore the screen, it's like arguing over an amp while ignore the speakers.

If you compare 27" QHD IPS monitors, the Freesync version is $150 cheaper than the G-Sync version. The GTX 1080 is $550, and may well get a price drop when Vega launches, so the price advantage of Freesync over G-Sync may be wiped out. If Vega matches or beats the 1080 on both performance and price, then Freesync is still cheaper. While it might beat the stock 1080 by a few frames performance wise, it has always seemed unlikely to come in at a competitive price. And we'll have to see how overclocking figures into the performance differences.

So whats the deal with AMD @ Siggraph tomorrow? No live streaming? Essentially meaning no soft launch of RX vega tomorrow?

@RadeonPro We won't be livestreaming the event, but make sure you are following our tweets for the latest updates! ^DS

https://mobile.twitter.com/RadeonPro/status/891109514845372417

So whats the deal with AMD @ Siggraph tomorrow? No live streaming? Essentially meaning no soft launch of RX vega tomorrow? https://mobile.twitter.com/RadeonPro/status/891109514845372417

That's better than another blind test à la pepsi challenge and another round of math guesswork to find the possible RX Vega price from the different monitors prices: https://www.pcgamesn.com/sites/default/files/AMD%20RX%20Vega%20price.jpg

The scary maths, however, comes from the two monitors that have been used in the blind tests. The AMD machine is running an Asus MX34V FreeSync screen and the Nvidia PC an Asus PG348 G-Sync display. The FreeSync monitor costs $720 and the G-Sync panel retails for $1,300. The cheapest GTX 1080 I can find at the moment is this $510 Gigabyte version over at Newegg. So, with everything else being the same, we can discount the other component costs, making the total relevant price of the Nvidia machine $1,810 at best. If the AMD rig is $300 cheaper, that puts it at $1,510. Which in turn means, if you do a little light algebra where X is the cost of the RX Vega, and we subtract the cost of the FreeSync monitor, you get a $790 sticker price for the AMD graphics card.

https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/amd-rx-vega-price Hopefully the hype train final station is not very far in time.

Those prices are terrible. As for mining, the VEGA Frontier Edition was really quite bad at mining... perhaps the consumer version of VEGA will be different, but if it's similar in mining performance to the Frontier Edition then mining will not be a big factor in the pricing.

I love that they compared a bare bones 60hz Freesync monitor against a top end 100hz G-Sync monitor.

I'm just going to chime in and say right now I have an old 28" lcd monitor 1920x1200@60hz. This Freesync and G-Sync thing doesn't mean anything to me right now. I've also done research and found that there's nothing stopping me using a Freesync monitor like a standard one with an Nvidia card.

If the prices hold out to be true, that would mean there's, what? a $450 price gap between an RX 580 and the lowest end vega? I'm sorry AMD, but if that holds out to be true, that pricing scheme just doesn't make sense.

I've also done research and found that there's nothing stopping me using a Freesync monitor like a standard one with an Nvidia card.

I'm not sure what that has anything to do with anything? Most (not the first ones released) G-Sync monitors can be used like a standard one with AMD as well? That doesn't mean that a freesync monitor works with Nvidia GPUs and are able to use freesync That also doesn't mean that gsync monitors work with AMD GPUs are are able to use gsync So what are you trying to say in your post? The reason people are talking about this is because people get freesync and gsync monitors (in general) for those features, and are extremely, extremely important to some of them. I would never go back to vsync, but that's just me. Personally, i have no idea why you would by a freesync monitor (if that's what you were implying) over a non-freesync monitor if you didn't care about gsync/freesync and had an nvidia GPU. Might as well get a relatively high end non-gysnc/freesync monitor at that point if you're going to waste the technology that makes them more expensive.

I love that they compared a bare bones 60hz Freesync monitor against a top end 100hz G-Sync monitor.

The Asus MX34V isn't a "bare bones" FreeSync monitor....and FreeSync monitors typically are 60hz when FreeSync is disabled. The Asus MX34V is the FreeSync equivalent of the Asus PG348. The Asus MX34V supports AdaptiveSync (FreeSync) at 48hz to 100hz....and at this point is pretty much the best FreeSync monitor you can buy.

Personally, i have no idea why you would by a freesync monitor (if that's what you were implying) over a non-freesync monitor if you didn't care about gsync/freesync and had an nvidia GPU. Might as well get a relatively high end non-gysnc/freesync monitor at that point if you're going to waste the technology that makes them more expensive.

I only bought a FreeSync monitor because I wanted a 27" display and it was considerably cheaper than the standard 60hz equivalent at the time of purchase. Not everyone who buys a FreeSync monitor, actually cares about FreeSync. Now, it would be completely irrational to buy a G-Sync monitor if you don't have an NVidia card due to the price premium that G-Sync adds.

The Asus MX34V isn't a "bare bones" FreeSync monitor....and FreeSync monitors typically are 60hz when FreeSync is disabled. The Asus MX34V is the FreeSync equivalent of the Asus PG348. The Asus MX34V supports AdaptiveSync (FreeSync) at 48hz to 100hz....and at this point is pretty much the best FreeSync monitor you can buy.

The thing that stinks to me is they chose to use 100hz max screens. I would have preferred them use QHD displays the could do 144hz as that is a more obtainable display than the 3440x1440. But that would have not made the delta in price as large. Also they appear to have used R7 1700 CPU's at stock so there is that as well.

AMD have confirmed it was a R7 1800X that was used, but this article just looks like more official confirmation that it's GTX1080 performance with a GTX1080ti price tag. https://gaming.radeon.com/en-us/vega-freesync-budapest/?sf101934658=1

AMD have confirmed it was a R7 1800X that was used, but this article just looks like more official confirmation that it's GTX1080 performance with a GTX1080ti price tag. https://gaming.radeon.com/en-us/vega-freesync-budapest/?sf101934658=1

AMD marketing: http://www.snopes.com/photos/medical/graphics/footshot.jpg

The thing that stinks to me is they chose to use 100hz max screens. I would have preferred them use QHD displays the could do 144hz as that is a more obtainable display than the 3440x1440. But that would have not made the delta in price as large. Also they appear to have used R7 1700 CPU's at stock so there is that as well.

The price of Vega is really irrelevant to me. Same as the price for 1070, 1080 and 1080Ti. My framerate in the few games I play is already too high. I have a framerate target set for 70fps just so FreeSync actually works. I just really hate it when people spread false information because either A.) they're too lazy to get facts first or B.) they're so blindly loyal to a specific brand that facts no longer matter. AMD does need to bring the price of Vega down, if it really is planned to be so high...

I'm not sure what that has anything to do with anything? Most (not the first ones released) G-Sync monitors can be used like a standard one with AMD as well? That doesn't mean that a freesync monitor works with Nvidia GPUs and are able to use freesync That also doesn't mean that gsync monitors work with AMD GPUs are are able to use gsync So what are you trying to say in your post? The reason people are talking about this is because people get freesync and gsync monitors (in general) for those features, and are extremely, extremely important to some of them. I would never go back to vsync, but that's just me. Personally, i have no idea why you would by a freesync monitor (if that's what you were implying) over a non-freesync monitor if you didn't care about gsync/freesync and had an nvidia GPU. Might as well get a relatively high end non-gysnc/freesync monitor at that point if you're going to waste the technology that makes them more expensive.

It's simple really. For a certain price/resolution/hz rates, a freesync monitor is the only option. Using ocuk, lets say I want to replace my current monitor with a 144hz one and higher-resolution. The first (as in cheapest) one to offer these features ends-up being a freesync model; https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer-xg270huaomidpx-27-2560x1440-tn-freesync-gaming-widescreen-led-zeroframe-monitor-orange-black-mo-11g-ac.html The second one, again, same situation; https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer-xf240yubmiidprzx-24-2560x1440-tn-freesync-144-hz-gaming-widescreen-led-zeroframe-monitor-blac-mo-11h-ac.html The third option, same; https://www.overclockers.co.uk/acer-predator-xg270huomidpx-27-2560x1440-tn-freesync-144hz-gaming-widescreen-led-monitor-black-re-mo-078-ac.html Finally, we get to one that isn't either G-sync or freesync and it's actually even more money; https://www.overclockers.co.uk/benq-zowie-xl2730-e-sports-27-2560x1440-144hz-tn-widescreen-led-monitor-black-mo-12c-bq.html Wasting technology doesn't even come into it. The factor is price and the fact that freesync isn't optional for the lower-end of the spectrum of available products here. So, the fact is if you want 27"~, 144hz and higher-resolution than full hd, then, most of the cheapest in this range are infact freesync monitors. You end-up actually paying more for one that uses neither syncing technology.