YIKES!!! I just made a post just after seeing you decided to go with the Samsung.
Hehe, I'm optimistic much of this must be teething problems and can be resolved because I've not read others give the same experiences.
Fingers crossed.
@Mufflore
Wow man. I'm sorry you're having a bad experience. I have the S95B and the quality eventually improved through firmware updates. I will admit that I'm gaming more on my LG Oleds due to the plethora of gaming utilities within the televisions. Nvidia cards and LG Oleds have been a great marriage thus far.
Being that you have the latest firmware for the S95C and you're still very disappointed means too much money was spent for this outcome. I know you don't want to return the television but I'm a firm believer in buying what you want and being happy with what you buy. I'm sure you've tested all the ports, checked the menus for interpolation smoothness, picture presets etc etc.
@Mufflore
Wow man. I'm sorry you're having a bad experience. I have the S95B and the quality eventually improved through firmware updates. I will admit that I'm gaming more on my LG Oleds due to the plethora of gaming utilities within the televisions. Nvidia cards and LG Oleds have been a great marriage thus far.
Being that you have the latest firmware for the S95C and you're still very disappointed means too much money was spent for this outcome. I know you don't want to return the television but I'm a firm believer in buying what you want and being happy with what you buy. I'm sure you've tested all the ports, checked the menus for interpolation smoothness, picture presets etc etc.
Thanks.
Only one HDMI port tested so far (only powered it up today) which hasnt shown any connection problems, but anythings worth a try.
Yeah, I tried blur and judder reduction maxed out but no joy.
So far have tested ECO and Standard modes, both behave the same.
Hehe, I'm optimistic much of this must be teething problems and can be resolved because I've not read others give the same experiences.
Fingers crossed.
To be honest my S95B is holding up very well. LG has more experience with their HDMI 2.1 features and software. Their T.V.s just work pretty much out of the box because it's a Swiss Army Knife like experience. This is why I'm gaming more often on their sets. The Samsung has brighter, more saturated and at times more details but the LG has a more natural picture. The HDMI 2.1 features work almost flawlessly with LG Oleds, which is the reason for it's stability.
Thanks.
Only one HDMI port tested so far (only powered it up today) which hasnt shown any connection problems, but anythings worth a try.
Yeah, I tried blur and judder reduction maxed out but no joy.
So far have tested ECO and Standard modes, both behave the same.
If you're not feeling it, take it back Bro. You may feel differently later but with T.V.s, first impressions are lasting impressions.
I'm saddened how poor a display my new Samsung S95C is for low res TV especially, and there is a serious problem getting video to play smooth from a PC, among other niggles.
This is compared to my previous Samsung QE55Q9FN QLED TV.
One of the best features of the Q9FN is how it makes 480p/i clear and smooth, many people bought a similar QLED TV based on what they saw here and were not disappointed. I've always been in awe of how good lowly 480p looks on it.
I figured enough time had passed for any problems with OLED processing to be ironed out, but it seems far from it despite RTings showing it should be better. Sticking with Samsung I hoped wouldnt give gaping holes in performance in comparison.
Previously the image was clear with no crawlies or moving blocks on the Q9FN, the opposite is true with this OLED, artefacts are all over.
The only way I can reduce them ( beyond the already used noise reduction) is to reduce sharpness from the default 10 to 5 or less. But it looks terrible.
And 480p TV looks about 1/2 the resolution I'm used to seeing, fed from the same equipment.
The darker the image the worse it gets too.
Maybe I'm spoiled and my old TV is a standout performer, I dont know.
But as TV is the main use for this S95C, its a poor replacement so far.
1080p looks very good when bright but those problems appear a little some in darker scenes.
The S95C isnt quite as clear an image as the Q9FN but its good enough not to care, 1080p TV is mostly decent.
The quick fix of increasing sharpness to improve clarity produces visible artefacts sadly.
Another problem is a mild yellow/green tint with some TV that certainly wasnt present before.
I managed to reduce this by setting the colour tone to cool which is significantly better but it doesnt go away fully and isnt really a satisfactory cure.
I will play with the tint feature and colour balance to see if it can be helped.
So I decided to cheer myself up with how good UHD movies look played from my PC.
No matter what refresh rate is used its either a bit jerky or very jerky.
I can play any movie on my Samsung QLED UW monitor and its smooooth, just as it was on my old Samsung QLED TV.
Switching to the S95C is a jarring experience, its awful.
I've tried old and new builds of MPC BE, MPC HC and MADVR but no dice.
It improves quite a bit when using an internal renderer instead of MADVR but still isnt good enough.
One video player that doesnt exhibit the issue is VLC. So maybe this can be narrowed down, it doesnt look hopeless.
(afterthought: I wonder if disabling VRR will help, I'll try later)
Unfortunately it doesnt end there.
Switching to HDR mode immediately shows very blatant colour bleed, as if using a very bad display and 4:2:0 input.
Yet this is with RGB full. I tried YcBcR modes but there was no difference.
The setting"input signal plus" must be enabled to get high enough cable bandwidth for HDR, this was automatically enabled already for the used HDMI input.
Turning off HDR, the colour bleed disappears.
I figured some things might be fixed with newer firmware but I cant prove that yet because it already has the latest, V1.220.
Right now its subpar for all I've tried to use it for.
I'm so sad.
If anyone can please shed light on how to deal with any of this I will be so grateful, I dont want to have to return this TV.
Cheers!
Oh, yeah? Well how about "LG OLED screen more susceptible to screen burn says Samsung" 😛 Of course a competitor would say something like this.
On to the chatter at hand, @Mufflore I'm quite surprised to see you are having so many issues. 😱 I've had a Samsung S90C for a month now and have grown pretty fond of it. There are the obviouse benefits of OLED versus LCD, but the colors just blew me away. Games and movies in HDR are ridiculously vibrant and otherworldly. I could go on for a while regarding things I like about it, but on to some stuff that you've brought up.
After seeing your experience with the S95C I decided to hook up a cheapo DVD player to my old TV (Samsung NU8000) and the new one (Samsung S90C) and play some of my old DVD's. After watching several episodes of Frasier, King of Queens and Mr. Bean there are certainly differences between the two TV's. I can't say it is to the extent that you are describing, but I'd give it more of a "eh 50/50" sort of thing. There is a bit more macro blocking on the S90C with 480i/480p, but motion seems fine even next to the old LCD/LED NU8000.
720p stuff actually looks a little bit better on the S90C when watching old IMSA races from the 80's and 90's from YouTube. 1080p has been better in most ways that I can think of. One time I was watching a show and there was a dark scene and bitrate wasn't great, so I actually took the time to go to the same scene on the NU8000 & an old PC monitor and all of them had that "low bitrate in a dark scene artifacting/blocking" issue going on.
As far as a green/yellow tint on some TV content, haven't really seen that but I should probably have pointed out by now that I will never be using the S90C as a TV. It was bought (in a somewhat risky test) to be a computer monitor for all of it's life. o_O Only thing I noticed was that in PC Game mode in HDR the greens were a bit too green, nearly alien like. I'm slowly changing that over time until it is where I want it but it isn't a tint per se.
As far as playing UHD HDR movies from the PC, I can say I noticed some jerky playback. Initially with MPC HC and MPC BE, I fiddled a bit without much change but VLC also seems to look/feel mostly fine. Quite odd, but I also plan to experiment with VRR and refresh rates in the future. I think this phenomenon has to do with what RTINGS calls "stutter" and "judder" related to the pixel response of OLED.
I'm not really sure what you mean by "color bleed when switching to HDR mode" but I don't *think* I've seen anything I'd call by that name. Any way you can show it in screenshots/video/link to someone showing the issue? I'm curious to see what you mean as my experience using only HDR mode on Windows has been mostly great. I'll be the first to admit this TV is not perfect but it REALLY broke through almost every little niggling issue I had with the NU8000 for the past several years and I'm loving the overall S90C experience. 🙂
If you're not feeling it, take it back Bro. You may feel differently later but with T.V.s, first impressions are lasting impressions.
I'm built similarly, but the eventual experience with my Q9 TV gives me hope.
When I got it there were all manner of problems ranging from motion artefacts to HDR truly messing up and making even SDR dark after using without being able to resolve.
I even had Samsung connect to the TV twice to try and find what was happening, and that experience with Samsung support was simply awful to get through to anyone who can actually help, it could take hours!
At one point I was told by a high end engineer I need to get a TV engineer in at my cost to check it out and document what was wrong.
I put the phone down sadly and then thought wtf, NO, its a brand new TV! Wrote a very terse response about it, which was what put them into action properly and within a few weeks most issues had been addressed.
After a few more firmwares I was so happy I decided not to update further and stuck with it despite many more updates coming out, because of awful complaints in forums from people who continued to update. And I gotta say, that was a magic decision, its still the best picture I've seen for both SDR and HDR, the experience is so close to perfect.
HDR is awesome on it! SDR is a very close second, especially when using HDR+ to boost dynamic range of SDR, it really works well for almost all situations.
Picture quality and colours are either very good or just right.
I've had it for 5 years and has been a joy to use.
The only thing I really felt could be better are deep black space scenes where there is some blooming around stars at times but not so often that it cant be stomached.
And the size, I was used to a 110" projector screen before that and wanted bigger than 55", the Q9 TV was just a trial to see if I could accept a smaller screen to have good quality HDR at last.
Therein lies my main reason for changing TV to a larger screen which is 77 inch. Probably the largest size consumer display without ridicucost that retains the high end features/specs.
Larger screens lose features and/or reduce specs so that became my limiting factor.
tbh its going to take time getting used to 77 inch, it feels too big lol.
Heh, sort of rambled on a bit there 🙂
duuuude
i'm so frustrated for you, especially as you had a methodology.
and not rubbing in any salt, but there's a reason why Disney uses off-the-shelf LG oled (G3 & C3) as mastering monitors, besides the huge savings vs Sony (@ $10k ea).
my last trip to Burbank, after asking about the plethora of LG's i saw i was told that they were installed the week after CES...
so yeah the qd/oled has a greater color volume but lower color accuracy
still the low res inadequacy is more than a defect, it's bad hardware and for me a dealbreaker.
i'd take a thumbdrive to the dealer with SDR & HDR titles and see if the issues repeat
Oh, yeah? Well how about "LG OLED screen more susceptible to screen burn says Samsung" 😛 Of course a competitor would say something like this.
On to the chatter at hand, @Mufflore I'm quite surprised to see you are having so many issues. 😱 I've had a Samsung S90C for a month now and have grown pretty fond of it. There are the obviouse benefits of OLED versus LCD, but the colors just blew me away. Games and movies in HDR are ridiculously vibrant and otherworldly. I could go on for a while regarding things I like about it, but on to some stuff that you've brought up.
After seeing your experience with the S95C I decided to hook up a cheapo DVD player to my old TV (Samsung NU8000) and the new one (Samsung S90C) and play some of my old DVD's. After watching several episodes of Frasier, King of Queens and Mr. Bean there are certainly differences between the two TV's. I can't say it is to the extent that you are describing, but I'd give it more of a "eh 50/50" sort of thing. There is a bit more macro blocking on the S90C with 480i/480p, but motion seems fine even next to the old LCD/LED NU8000.
720p stuff actually looks a little bit better on the S90C when watching old IMSA races from the 80's and 90's from YouTube. 1080p has been better in most ways that I can think of. One time I was watching a show and there was a dark scene and bitrate wasn't great, so I actually took the time to go to the same scene on the NU8000 & an old PC monitor and all of them had that "low bitrate in a dark scene artifacting/blocking" issue going on.
As far as a green/yellow tint on some TV content, haven't really seen that but I should probably have pointed out by now that I will never be using the S90C as a TV. It was bought (in a somewhat risky test) to be a computer monitor for all of it's life. o_O Only thing I noticed was that in PC Game mode in HDR the greens were a bit too green, nearly alien like. I'm slowly changing that over time until it is where I want it but it isn't a tint per se.
As far as playing UHD HDR movies from the PC, I can say I noticed some jerky playback. Initially with MPC HC and MPC BE, I fiddled a bit without much change but VLC also seems to look/feel mostly fine. Quite odd, but I also plan to experiment with VRR and refresh rates in the future. I think this phenomenon has to do with what RTINGS calls "stutter" and "judder" related to the pixel response of OLED.
I'm not really sure what you mean by "color bleed when switching to HDR mode" but I don't *think* I've seen anything I'd call by that name. Any way you can show it in screenshots/video/link to someone showing the issue? I'm curious to see what you mean as my experience using only HDR mode on Windows has been mostly great. I'll be the first to admit this TV is not perfect but it REALLY broke through almost every little niggling issue I had with the NU8000 for the past several years and I'm loving the overall S90C experience. 🙂
Great post, thanks.
Its very handy but rightly reduces my optimism somewhat, though I'm quite resourceful and have a number of things to try yet.
I'll come back later with pictures of the HDR colour bleed 'appearance'.
Video examples arent possible atm, I avoid youtube and have no account. I didnt expect to be in this position after making very guided purchase decisions with 'best of' products, to be frank.
I'm so unsure how this TV got such a high review score on RTings when it doesnt come close to beating a 5 year old high end QLED!
duuuude
i'm so frustrated for you, especially as you had a methodology.
and not rubbing in any salt, but there's a reason why Disney uses off-the-shelf LG oled (G3 & C3) as mastering monitors, besides the huge savings vs Sony (@ $10k ea).
my last trip to Burbank, after asking about the plethora of LG's i saw i was told that they were installed the week after CES...
so yeah the qd/oled has a greater color volume but lower color accuracy
still the low res inadequacy is more than a defect, it's bad hardware and for me a dealbreaker.
i'd take a thumbdrive to the dealer with SDR & HDR titles and see if the issues repeat
Thanks.
If only the G3 had a stand, it would have been in the running as I have valued your input.
The lack of stand terminated its chance being such a large heavy device.
Good news 🙂
Higher brightness (backlight) reduces artefacts and the yellow/green tint quite a lot.
But the 'cool' colour setting is still required to cope with the worst.
I was staying around 20 to 25 brightness in ECO mode for TV, now using between 28 and 38 depending on channel source.
None film HD TV and None HD channels tend to very readily jump to max light level requiring brightness to be reduced for them.
ie HD films are generally lower brightness requiring it to be set much higher.
There is still a white haze which is catered for by decreasing 'Shadow Detail' a notch (akin to the old brightness on TVs. Brightness on this TV is backlight strength)
There is definitely more pop to the image and quality shows a good improvement, phew.
So much for eco watching lol, but things are moving in the right direction.
Note, this is only for SDR TV viewing so far, HDR will be tested later...
ps.
Tried Movie and FilmMaker modes but the same issues were present at lower brightness.
At the moment I prefer ECO mode, colours are a little more distinct with the same settings and visual brightness level.
Good news 🙂
Higher brightness (backlight) reduces artefacts and the yellow/green tint quite a lot.
But the 'cool' colour setting is still required to cope with the worst.
I was staying around 20 to 25 brightness in ECO mode for TV, now using between 28 and 38 depending on channel source.
None film HD TV and None HD channels tend to very readily jump to max light level requiring brightness to be reduced for them.
ie HD films are generally lower brightness requiring it to be set much higher.
There is still a white haze which is catered for by decreasing 'Shadow Detail' a notch (akin to the old brightness on TVs. Brightness on this TV is backlight strength)
There is definitely more pop to the image and quality shows a good improvement, phew.
So much for eco watching lol, but things are moving in the right direction.
Note, this is only for SDR TV viewing so far, HDR will be tested later...
ps.
Tried Movie and FilmMaker modes but the same issues were present at lower brightness.
At the moment I prefer ECO mode, colours are a little more distinct with the same settings and visual brightness level.
That is awesome news! From reading your post, you've made adjustments for better saturation and clarity on that beautiful screen. You have the best of both worlds. 🙂
I truly understand the tedious task to find that balance with watching older content. Our screen resolution capabilities are truly meant for HD while SD needs the adjustments for a better picture. I see this on every brand. Sony somehow does a slightly better job with SD content in my opinion.
Congrats again on your purchase. It truly is an awesome set and is often rated the best overall for 2023. 🙂
update:
Everything looks super watching SDR TV with 2 unpleasant exceptions so far:
SD Big Bang Theory, some colours are way too saturated.
HD The Repair Shop looks lower res than HD at times, bright whites have lost detail and theres a white haze over the image strong enough at times to not be shiftable with a 'Shadow Detail' reduction (old style brightness reduction).
I tried turning down Contrast but it didnt help.
I blame the video or engineers behind those channels for these problems because everything else is so very good, there have been a few wow! moments watching HD channels.
At times this TVs SDR colour is better than SDR with HDR+ on my old TV and I like that a lot. The rest of the time its mostly around as good, no mean feat!
The downside is having to change brightness levels quite a lot when changing channels, I didnt need to do this with the Q9 TV, one brightness setting worked for everything.
A small price, just fyi.
Next tasks are to sort PC video playback jerkiness and what looks like colour bleed with HDR on.
These might need to wait until tomorrow.
Edit, forgot to mention:
Colour resolution looks clearer on this TV but pixel resolution looks a bit lower res, possibly because the pixels arent square like on an LED.
What i'm seeing is nothing to complain about though, I'm more than happy.
Edit2
Sharpen is now usable.
I have it set to 13 (default is 10) and it works well for both SD and HD.
Another thing worth mentioning, I only occasionally see artefacts in dark scenes, they are mostly a very smooth image, comparable to what I was used to with my old TV.
This has worked out extremely well.
The only thing I'm looking for now regarding TV use is the average power use.
My 55" Q9 with 'HDR+' enabled used around 180W, thats the comparison that should be drawn, the higher dynamic range of HDR+ really works for the majority of SDR content. Without HDR+ it was around 120W and while a very pleasant more accurate image, it isnt as pleasant to watch as with HDR+ enabled.
My 77" S95C shows between 70W to 200W at 38 brightness (super for TV) with my power meter, mostly around 100W to 120W.
If correct thats surprisingly good for approaching 100% larger screen area (1.937x larger).
But power meters can be misleading, I'll see how much the household daily power use changes over a period of time.
A new day, a new light.
2 screen modes had sharpness set to zero, I didnt do this. Makes me wonder if anything else has changed?
It appears I'm able to see colour problems others dont see as strongly, maybe my calling should have been a display design/calibration engineer? Perhaps not, lol.
The issue with yellow/green tint is still present and worse than expected but I've narrowed down when its worst.
Its appears to be an over abundance of cyan, yellow and magenta which can be seen "terribly" in The Darling Buds of May, appearing to be a bad mismatch between this TVs processing methods and over processed video not going together well.
But the problem occurs to a minor extent with a lot of other TV video too.
With Buds of May, when reducing contrast from 50 down to 25, most of the gaudiness vanishes and the image looks a lot more natural but not right in other ways. Then switching to other programming doesnt look good.
I took photos and my camera compensates, reducing the problem close to zero, so have recorded a section on my satellite box to try again later. When I get more time I'll turn off camera image processing tech if possible and see what it will capture.
Looking at approx 1080p pixel level on those photos only CMY can be seen, no RGB.
One photo shows the problem a little, I've added it below, imagine it with much stronger colour.
ps Camera is the Sony A7R IV A
If not looking for the CMY problem, it can be forgiven on a lot of programming, others it stands out more and is annoying.
Once triggered on it though is hard not to see, so decided its time to mess with the colour balance controls.
I had a go at changing CMY controls and found they barely do anything at all!
Its as though the 0 to 100 scales (default 50) only cover about 5% of the full scale you can see.
Perhaps its not an issue with CMY but RGB being off and looking more like CMY, after all I didnt expect to see CMY colours so strongly on what I thought should mostly be basic RGB colours. (Then again, how easy is it to know without being a pro engineer. I'm only blessed with the ability to see the damn colour problems too easily.)
Then I remembered encountering this before in 2011 with a 27" LG DM2780D 3D TV used as a monitor.
As a TV is was dreadful, much better as a PC display but still a problem.
I tried super hard to fix and it improved a little but never enough. After a few years of sporadic fiddling eventually gave up as a lost cause. Other people also saw the issue but were less bothered by it than me.
Unfortunately, the problems with the S95C at the extreme look way worse. However, unlike that LG TV, the S95C can also look almost bang on correct. Such as BBC News in HD, an example of how good this TV can look and is why I wasnt seeing it so much last night.
The film War Horse on BBC1 looks pretty good, very very mild CMY issues, normally I wouldnt notice.
Similar with SD Top Gear (recorded by the BBC) on Dave/Freesat, the problem can be seen when looking for it but isnt that obvious.
Its unfortunate TV image problems of this nature still persist after 12 years though.
Boy I didnt expect needing to make so much effort, but at least its worth pursuing for this TV and may learn something useful worth passing on.
The downside, theres only a few weeks return window to get to the bottom of it and time is precious. But I dont want to return this monster telly!
I honestly dont feel there is enough time after my last experience with that LG TV...
Perhaps I should see if the problems playing video from PC can be fixed first because without that working well is a lost cause anyway.
Sorry to bring such news, it doesnt appear to bother any reviewers so maybe its just me.
The Darling Buds of May CMY problem only mildly shown by my camera. Imagine colour being much stronger and brighter+gaudy:
(image is zoomed to help show 1080p ish level pixels looking CMY not RGB)
Edit:
The TV has been on for hours and everything I've seen for a long time has been an extremely good picture.
Currently "Rio Lobo" is on ITV3 HD and looks great.
(though later I checked the SD channel +1hr and that did not look anywhere near as good having CMY tints. The HD channel version was practically perfect to my eyes.)
I started wondering if the TV is worse when first turned on so played the recording of Darling Buds of May again (recorded from ITV4 HD) but its just as bad as it was earlier.
So peculiar how wildly different video can look on the same TV, I've not seen the like before.
😱 😱 😱 Duuuuuuuuuuude, why are the people on your screen that red?! Even watching an episode of Frasier where he gets a red rash doesn't seem as red as your picture. Gotta say you are having some odd issues that I've not really encountered or seen.
I'm typically very sensitive to things like untrue colors, screen tear, frame pacing, head bob in games, etc.... but after hooking up the S90C and putting it into PC Game mode and HDR, I tweaked a few simple settings and went on my way.
I've got a QN85C and a QN65C and to be honest the 85 is this year's and the menu system is a slight step backwards over the 65 which I think is 2020 or 2021. There's just added button presses for the basic stuff which seem unneeded.
The 65 is attached to a Sammy Q990C soundboard and both boot up together, and offer incredible sound. The 85 is attached to a Sony mid range sound bar and often needs up to 30 seconds to get sound unless I go into the menu and toggle the EARC off and on.
😱 😱 😱 Duuuuuuuuuuude, why are the people on your screen that red?! Even watching an episode of Frasier where he gets a red rash doesn't seem as red as your picture. Gotta say you are having some odd issues that I've not really encountered or seen.
I'm typically very sensitive to things like untrue colors, screen tear, frame pacing, head bob in games, etc.... but after hooking up the S90C and putting it into PC Game mode and HDR, I tweaked a few simple settings and went on my way.
Thats the point I'm making, its crazy gaudy.
It isnt red, its a mix of darker and brighter magenta, same with the yellows and cyans, my camera darkened the image a lot it was so bright.
Other TV programmes arent as bad as that but still bad enough to not watch.
Using exactly the same settings to watch BBC HD channels on Freesat looks superb. I would say about 50% of TV is so poor as to be unwatchable whether on HD or SD, the rest is acceptable or great whether HD or SD.
It seems more likely to be better on HD channels, yet that picture of the very worst image WAS from an HD channel. Makes me despair.
As I'm typing this I'm watching BBC HD news with an awesome quality picture, couldnt ask for better!
I cannot yet find a way to adjust out the awful CMY colours when it happens and tbh I cant see how its possible.
I wonder if its a problem with this TV and my Humax satellite box, maybe satellite direct into the TV works better? But that brings a new level of annoyances I dont want.
The previous LG TV that did a similar CMY problem was using an older Humax box and its own TV tuner was just as bad.
Neither Sat box ever looked bad on my Plasma TV, projectors, another LED TV and the Q9 QLED TV.
Friends and family have never seen the like either with Humax boxes but I dont think any have an OLED TV.
I'm yet to try PC use again, the TV needs to be free, hopefully later today.
Its main use isnt PC though. But it must also work for PC video which looked ok but very jerky, hard to remember much about the image quality...
Ah, except with HDR, that was messed up with what looked like colour bleed on the desktop. Video wasnt bad I dont think but it was so jerky, the image quality wasnt my focus. It didnt look like bad CMY though, I would have remembered that.
:(
I've got a QN85C and a QN65C and to be honest the 85 is this year's and the menu system is a slight step backwards over the 65 which I think is 2020 or 2021. There's just added button presses for the basic stuff which seem unneeded.
The 65 is attached to a Sammy Q990C soundboard and both boot up together, and offer incredible sound. The 85 is attached to a Sony mid range sound bar and often needs up to 30 seconds to get sound unless I go into the menu and toggle the EARC off and on.
What do you think of the quality improvements with the newer TV?
Edit: The TV has been on for hours and everything I've seen for a long time has been an extremely good picture. Currently "Rio Lobo" is on ITV3 HD and looks great. (though later I checked the SD channel +1hr and that did not look anywhere near as good having CMY tints. The HD channel version was practically perfect to my eyes.) I started wondering if the TV is worse when first turned on so played the recording of Darling Buds of May again (recorded from ITV4 HD) but its just as bad as it was earlier. So peculiar how wildly different video can look on the same TV, I've not seen the like before.