I can't seem to find a video or anything on the Rtings website where did they take that evidence from ? If anyone has a link pls post would like to read/watch it.

crashburn162:

I can't seem to find a video or anything on the Rtings website where did they take that evidence from ? If anyone has a link pls post would like to read/watch it.

It's most apparent here on the review for the S95B, in Design -> Accelerated Longevity Test. The red test is where you can kinda see some ghosting. https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/s95b-oled#test_178

leops1984:

It's most apparent here on the review for the S95B, in Design -> Accelerated Longevity Test. The red test is where you can kinda see some ghosting. https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/s95b-oled#test_178

I considered getting a QDOLED but decided to wait and see what happens, potentially dodged a bullet. Although it remains to be seen how long they last in normal and PC uses without artefacts. Then might be considered worth a shot next year.

leops1984:

It's most apparent here on the review for the S95B, in Design -> Accelerated Longevity Test. The red test is where you can kinda see some ghosting. https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/s95b-oled#test_178

Yeah but the article states that they did a comparison with the C2 and there was no burn in as far as I know this test is still ongoing rtings said they will post something after 6 months. I do own a Samsung S95B mine was very color unaccurate with 32 avg DeltaE 🙂 . After tuning I got it down to around 6 any lower than that and it looses the punchy colors and brightness of the QDoled. Also janky samsung software doesn't properly start my receiver Yamaha 2050 or 3050 it starts it after 15 seconds by then the TV has switched to TV speaker . As I found out it's like that on every Samsung tv and nobody cares from Samsung. Anyway about the burn in we have to wait and see. But if monitors are something to go by Linus techtips had his C2 tv using it as a monitor get a burn in and his colleague used the Alienware 34" inch Qdoled monitor for the same time and still doesn't have a burn in. So I guess when the rtings video comes out we will see what is what.

i can easily believe the 1st gen qd oled of having this issue w/ burn-in. the 2nd gen?...not so much this sniping is an issue i was keenly aware of when i worked for a display manufacturer. i don't like it, especially when you have your own fantastic new tech (MLA) to talk about (or the equivalent back in my day). it takes away the seriousness of your statement as it all devolves into fingerpointing.

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

LG Display took the opportunity to criticize Samsung's QD OLED screens during an online press call. ... Samsung's QD OLED Screen More Susceptible to Screen Burn, Says LG Display

I have 2 OLED Sony. so far no issues for video

retiredat44:

I have 2 OLED Sony. so far no issues for video

It would be nice to find a way of viewing how much of the burn in protection buffer is left.

Mufflore:

It would be nice to find a way of viewing how much of the burn in protection buffer is left.

the tv usually hassles me about turning it off if it thinks I am no longer watching tv... which is like it is watching me...checking my heart rate or heat or?

retiredat44:

the tv usually hassles me about turning it off if it thinks I am no longer watching tv... which is like it is watching me...checking my heart rate or heat or?

Naa mate, thats the government!

retiredat44:

the tv usually hassles me about turning it off if it thinks I am no longer watching tv... which is like it is watching me...checking my heart rate or heat or?

If you don't use your remote for an extended period of time, it thinks that you are not watching TV. Especially in the USA, where watching TV is more of an experience of watching a commercial block with some TV content sprinkled in between, it expects you to use the remove at least once during the hour. Of course if you are a streaming service user, this might not be the case. I think for most TV's you can disable this sort of "activity detection" timer in their settings menu.

I guess this is all what LG has left when Samsung's QD OLED is vastly superior in every other aspect. LG shouldn't be playing with fire like this, in couple more years this might come back to haunt them, as Samsung caught up and surpassed them very rapidly.

Glottiz:

I guess this is all what LG has left when Samsung's QD OLED is vastly superior in every other aspect. LG shouldn't be playing with fire like this, in couple more years this might come back to haunt them, as Samsung caught up and surpassed them very rapidly.

This always happens when you let marketing departments anywhere near technical aspects of a product. They will start touting what they perceive as an advantage, only to be overtaken by product engineering for the next generation of products. I've seen this happen with the Samsung marketing for their smart phones, where they would ridicule feature/design decisions by Apple, only to introduce those same feature/design decisions in their next generation of phones. This made them look particularly stupid.

I just hope none of them show burn-in on consumers' hands. I’m pretty happy with my C2 55’’ + PS5 and streaming apps. Oled really is that good.

Glottiz:

I guess this is all what LG has left when Samsung's QD OLED is vastly superior in every other aspect. LG shouldn't be playing with fire like this, in couple more years this might come back to haunt them, as Samsung caught up and surpassed them very rapidly.

whoa there cowpoke "vastly superior"? by what metric? none that i've seen "surpassed" nah, bruh. where do you think those panels come from for Samsung display to use? as far as technology goes, nothing by any display manufacturer can touch MLA i say this having a very long time (20+ years) in the industry working for a competitor to both Samsung and LG. MLA is like getting "free money" in the sense you get a >50% increase in brightness at no cost of power or heat just by using optics. having optics at a pixel scale (for a 4k screen) is extraordinary. i've seen this in person (LG C3) and against the top Samsung (S95C) in the worst possible setting for either (CES) and your commentary is not supported by either facts or plain eyeballing

tunejunky:

whoa there cowpoke "vastly superior"? by what metric? none that i've seen "surpassed" nah, bruh. where do you think those panels come from for Samsung display to use? as far as technology goes, nothing by any display manufacturer can touch MLA i say this having a very long time (20+ years) in the industry working for a competitor to both Samsung and LG. MLA is like getting "free money" in the sense you get a >50% increase in brightness at no cost of power or heat just by using optics. having optics at a pixel scale (for a 4k screen) is extraordinary. i've seen this in person (LG C3) and against the top Samsung (S95C) in the worst possible setting for either (CES) and your commentary is not supported by either facts or plain eyeballing

I spent a good while umm'ing and ahh'ing over the LG G3 with MLA, or the Samsung S95C checking stats at RTings. While the G3 is much brighter with 25% and 50% size windows (other size windows are much similar in brightness), the colour gamut and volume are a fair distance off with the G3. ie G3 = 8.6 Colour Gamut, 8.3 colour Volume. DCI P3 coverage = 88.8%, REC 2020 = 38.9% S95C = 9.4 Colour Gamut, 9.1 colour Volume, DCI P3 coverage = 97.3%, REC 2020 = 53.7% That and the lack of a stand (wall mount only) made me decide against the G3. Worth knowing, during the Black Friday sale, final price for the G3 is £3800, S95C is £3300. That didnt affect my decision though. I'm in no doubt I'd be happy with either TV but it will be nicer to have colour quality very close to 100% DCI P3 and over 50% REC 2020 with HDR. I'm surprised the G3 is so far apart. An S95C is on its way here 🙂

Mufflore:

I spent a good while umm'ing and ahh'ing over the LG G3 with MLA, or the Samsung S95C checking stats at RTings. While the G3 is much brighter with 25% and 50% size windows (other size windows are much similar in brightness), the colour gamut and volume are a fair distance off with the G3. ie G3 = 8.6 Colour Gamut, 8.3 colour Volume. DCI P3 coverage = 88.8%, REC 2020 = 38.9% S95C = 9.4 Colour Gamut, 9.1 colour Volume, DCI P3 coverage = 97.3%, REC 2020 = 53.7% That and the lack of a stand (wall mount only) made me decide against the G3. Worth knowing, during the Black Friday sale, final price for the G3 is £3800, S95C is £3300. That didnt affect my decision though. I'm in no doubt I'd be happy with either TV but it will be nicer to have colour quality very close to 100% DCI P3 and over 50% REC 2020 with HDR. I'm surprised the G3 is so far apart. An S95C is on its way here 🙂

congrats

two shows to check out on Appletv+ with your new S95C: Foundation (from the Isaac Asimov trilogy) Silo both are in native 4k Foundation is a new standard of color design Silo is a dystopian monochrome, but what a monochrome however both show what HDR is really all about by way of visual storytelling (and both shows have really good writing as well so ...good times) while i knew there was a difference with content SDR and HDR i guess i can be forgiven a little from the gaming perspective these shows are immersive... also going from "HDR" compatible to True HDR was a bigger deal than going from SDR to "HDR" compatible especially now content is easier to find.

I'm saddened how poor a display my new Samsung S95C is for low res TV especially, and there is a serious problem getting video to play smooth from a PC, among other niggles. This is compared to my previous Samsung QE55Q9FN QLED TV. One of the best features of the Q9FN is how it makes 480p/i clear and smooth, many people bought a similar QLED TV based on what they saw here and were not disappointed. I've always been in awe of how good lowly 480p looks on it. I figured enough time had passed for any problems with OLED processing to be ironed out, but it seems far from it despite RTings showing it should be better. Sticking with Samsung I hoped wouldnt give gaping holes in performance in comparison. Previously the image was clear with no crawlies or moving blocks on the Q9FN, the opposite is true with this OLED, artefacts are all over. The only way I can reduce them ( beyond the already used noise reduction) is to reduce sharpness from the default 10 to 5 or less. But it looks terrible. And 480p TV looks about 1/2 the resolution I'm used to seeing, fed from the same equipment. The darker the image the worse it gets too. Maybe I'm spoiled and my old TV is a standout performer, I dont know. But as TV is the main use for this S95C, its a poor replacement so far. 1080p looks very good when bright but those problems appear a little some in darker scenes. The S95C isnt quite as clear an image as the Q9FN but its good enough not to care, 1080p TV is mostly decent. The quick fix of increasing sharpness to improve clarity produces visible artefacts sadly. Another problem is a mild yellow/green tint with some TV that certainly wasnt present before. I managed to reduce this by setting the colour tone to cool which is significantly better but it doesnt go away fully and isnt really a satisfactory cure. I will play with the tint feature and colour balance to see if it can be helped. So I decided to cheer myself up with how good UHD movies look played from my PC. No matter what refresh rate is used its either a bit jerky or very jerky. I can play any movie on my Samsung QLED UW monitor and its smooooth, just as it was on my old Samsung QLED TV. Switching to the S95C is a jarring experience, its awful. I've tried old and new builds of MPC BE, MPC HC and MADVR but no dice. It improves quite a bit when using an internal renderer instead of MADVR but still isnt good enough. One video player that doesnt exhibit the issue is VLC. So maybe this can be narrowed down, it doesnt look hopeless. (afterthought: I wonder if disabling VRR will help, I'll try later) Unfortunately it doesnt end there. Switching to HDR mode immediately shows very blatant colour bleed, as if using a very bad display and 4:2:0 input. Yet this is with RGB full. I tried YcBcR modes but there was no difference. The setting"input signal plus" must be enabled to get high enough cable bandwidth for HDR, this was automatically enabled already for the used HDMI input. Turning off HDR, the colour bleed disappears. I figured some things might be fixed with newer firmware but I cant prove that yet because it already has the latest, V1.220. Right now its subpar for all I've tried to use it for. I'm so sad. If anyone can please shed light on how to deal with any of this I will be so grateful, I dont want to have to return this TV. Cheers!

Mufflore:

I spent a good while umm'ing and ahh'ing over the LG G3 with MLA, or the Samsung S95C checking stats at RTings. While the G3 is much brighter with 25% and 50% size windows (other size windows are much similar in brightness), the colour gamut and volume are a fair distance off with the G3. ie G3 = 8.6 Colour Gamut, 8.3 colour Volume. DCI P3 coverage = 88.8%, REC 2020 = 38.9% S95C = 9.4 Colour Gamut, 9.1 colour Volume, DCI P3 coverage = 97.3%, REC 2020 = 53.7% That and the lack of a stand (wall mount only) made me decide against the G3. Worth knowing, during the Black Friday sale, final price for the G3 is £3800, S95C is £3300. That didnt affect my decision though. I'm in no doubt I'd be happy with either TV but it will be nicer to have colour quality very close to 100% DCI P3 and over 50% REC 2020 with HDR. I'm surprised the G3 is so far apart. An S95C is on its way here 🙂

Oh man you're going to enjoy the S95C. It has a beautiful picture and if you use it for gaming, the colors and details will pop out of the screen. Congratulations on your purchase. Awesome television. 🙂

Mufflore:

I'm saddened how poor a display my new Samsung S95C is for low res TV especially, and there is a serious problem getting video to play smooth from a PC, among other niggles. This is compared to my previous Samsung QE55Q9FN QLED TV. One of the best features of the Q9FN is how it makes 480p/i clear and smooth, many people bought a similar QLED TV based on what they saw here and were not disappointed. I've always been in awe of how good lowly 480p looks on it. I figured enough time had passed for any problems with OLED processing to be ironed out, but it seems far from it despite RTings showing it should be better. Sticking with Samsung I hoped wouldnt give gaping holes in performance in comparison. Previously the image was clear with no crawlies or moving blocks on the Q9FN, the opposite is true with this OLED, artefacts are all over. The only way I can reduce them ( beyond the already used noise reduction) is to reduce sharpness from the default 10 to 5 or less. But it looks terrible. And 480p TV looks about 1/2 the resolution I'm used to seeing, fed from the same equipment. The darker the image the worse it gets too. Maybe I'm spoiled and my old TV is a standout performer, I dont know. But as TV is the main use for this S95C, its a poor replacement so far. 1080p looks very good when bright but those problems appear a little some in darker scenes. The S95C isnt quite as clear an image as the Q9FN but its good enough not to care, 1080p TV is mostly decent. The quick fix of increasing sharpness to improve clarity produces visible artefacts sadly. Another problem is a mild yellow/green tint with some TV that certainly wasnt present before. I managed to reduce this by setting the colour tone to cool which is significantly better but it doesnt go away fully and isnt really a satisfactory cure. I will play with the tint feature and colour balance to see if it can be helped. So I decided to cheer myself up with how good UHD movies look played from my PC. No matter what refresh rate is used its either a bit jerky or very jerky. I can play any movie on my Samsung QLED UW monitor and its smooooth, just as it was on my old Samsung QLED TV. Switching to the S95C is a jarring experience, its awful. I've tried old and new builds of MPC BE, MPC HC and MADVR but no dice. It improves quite a bit when using an internal renderer instead of MADVR but still isnt good enough. One video player that doesnt exhibit the issue is VLC. So maybe this can be narrowed down, it doesnt look hopeless. (afterthought: I wonder if disabling VRR will help, I'll try later) Unfortunately it doesnt end there. Switching to HDR mode immediately shows very blatant colour bleed, as if using a very bad display and 4:2:0 input. Yet this is with RGB full. I tried YcBcR modes but there was no difference. The setting"input signal plus" must be enabled to get high enough cable bandwidth for HDR, this was automatically enabled already for the used HDMI input. Turning off HDR, the colour bleed disappears. I figured some things might be fixed with newer firmware but I cant prove that yet because it already has the latest, V1.220. Right now its subpar for all I've tried to use it for. I'm so sad. If anyone can please shed light on how to deal with any of this I will be so grateful, I dont want to have to return this TV. Cheers!

YIKES!!! I just made a post just after seeing you decided to go with the Samsung.