Loobyluggs:

What's really annoying about all of this, is e-tailers are quite deceptive with regards to the HDMI cables they sell and whether they are or, are not; 2.1 Try it. Try going to an e-tailer and run a search on HDMI 2.1 Cables and see just how many supposed cables it lists actually are 2.1. The main problem is that the 2.0b specification does allow for 7680 × 4320 BUT it is only for 30 frames a second, with a groutesque 4:2:0 (barely YouTube quality), it does NOT do HDR10 and it most certainly does not do Auto Low Latency Mode and 'taps out' at 60 fps, with a gimped 4:2:2 pallete. You want 144fps, ALLM, HDR, 4KUHD? 2.0b is NOT gonna cut it, yet e-tailers will list 2.0b is being perfectly fine for this. Sorry for the rant, but it's such a simple thing for etailers to get right, yet; they get wrong and try to deceive you.

Is it the same trick with USB sticks? On the package they advertise USB 2.0, USB 3.0 and now USB 3.1. I got a USB 3.1 just because it was SanDisk and claimed it can do 130MB/s. 6 Euros only for 16GB.

NiColaoS:

Is it the same trick with USB sticks? On the package they advertise USB 2.0, USB 3.0 and now USB 3.1. I got a USB 3.1 just because it was SanDisk and claimed it can do 130MB/s. 6 Euros only for 16GB.

Couldn't see any on a glance

Camaxide:

Oleds can’t be made safe from burnin, and gaming or computers are likely the worst scenarios for getting burnin, its why Oled is inferior for this. What will come is the micro-led, which will be pretty much what you ask for 🙂

Outdated misconception as of the 2019 models the OLED screen are practically burn in proof unless your purposely TRY to cause it and even then it's really hard to make happen. HDTVtest did a comparison of samsungs best qled and lg's OLED to see their performance in Gaming. The Samsung picture looked great until you wanted the input lag to be as good as OLED (under 10ms... 6 ms is what the OLED can do) yet the only way to get the qled to have similar input lag you had to disable almost all of its image processing and without it the tvs looks terrible in comparison to the OLED which keeps its amazing picture quality with or without game mode. He also did a torture test and ran the fortnite game on loop for 24 hours straight at maximum brightness and no other mitigations and the TV shows absolutely no signs of burn in. I also as a long time owner of OLED tvs can admit that my 2015 model got burn in from gaming (over 1000 hours in the same game over a 4 months). But I also own a 2019 model and have played the same game over 2000 hours in the last 11 months since buying and show absolutely 0 signs of what happened with the older model. The fact is there WAS a real problem but with today's OLED its basically gone. OLED is the absolute king of gaming displays today and that new 48" OLED is going to make for a killer big screen pc monitor. I personally use a 65" and it's the absolute best picture I've ever seen not to mention I've had these features that a Samsung is talking about "upcoming" for about a year and have had 2 models years released supporting it. Samsung is playing catchup and I know they'll be using shortcuts where ever they can and probably limits only 1 hdmi to offer these features. Good luck if you buy both new consoles or have a gaming PC to go along with one. While I have 4 full fat 48gbps hdmi 2.1 ports supports all standards across the board.

Camaxide:

9 ms is indeed low input lag for a tv, but still 3x what a good monitor has. how come they are not able to reach the levels of a monitor? They are doing the same exact thing (or should anyway when in gamemode).

I'm at 6ms with my LG OLED and it's absolutely faster than anything I can perceive. Just because a monitor can advertise 1 or 2 ms response time means nothing to me when I have to make so many other sacrifices I ACTUALLY CAN notice. Poor blacks, halos around subtitles and bright objects, ghosting, light bleed, edge lighting, poor FALD performance.... None of these things are an issue with OLED. The one factor that was a general negative of OLED was burn in but with today's models (from my own ownership for a year along with trusted reviewers torture tests) have proven its just not a factor with today's models. Not to mention Samsung themselves are even done with lcd (QLED is just a marketing gimmick name for what is basically still the same lcd we been using for decades) and as of next year will be delivering OLED based displays as well. I wouldn't waste one penny on a lcd screen today it's just not where the future is going and they require way too many sacrifices from a gaming perspective as far as that "good" image they demo to you in best buy.

Toss3:

OLED burn in really isn't that big of an issue => plenty of tests show that you would have to leave it on for 24 hours a day at peak brightness to get any form of permanent burn in. Think people confuse image retention with burn in when it comes to OLEDs. The issue with using current OLED TVs as displays isn't just about burn-in though, but about the subpixels used; the current LG panels use RGBW subpixels, meaning they have less subpixels than regular displays. This leads to fonts not looking sharp etc and at 3840x2160 at 48 inches that isn't good enough. It would work great as a secondary screen though for gaming/movies.

The screens handle 444 chroma just fine and pass all tests I've never had one issue reading anything on them even a 100% scaling (2019 C9 that is)

DeViLzzz:

I know what image retention is as I own a 51" Samsung 1080p 3D tv from many moons ago and well it can be made to go away every time that is for sure but with OLED even the big box stores were telling me that burn in was a thing but it was going to be addressed with 2019 and on models. Until I see proof of burn in not happening it is a no buy. Also price factor is an issue too. : )

As you said 2019 and beyond were already on 2020 models they fixed this stuff last year I am a 1 year owner with VERY HEAVY single game play over the last year (about 2000 hours in Destiny 2) and yet I have 0 impact whatsoever. I also know if it were a problem still I would have it. I got it on my 2015 playing the same game in only 4 months and yet my 2019 is had double if not more done to it with 0 issue. HDTVtest did a test recently "qled vs OLED for gaming" and he shied how OLED is the superior gaming display format. He also did a torture test to the 2019 C9 (my tv) he had by having fortnite played at max brightness full screen for 24 hours on a loop. After checking before and after the rest there was 0 impact and between his torture test and my own long term experience I can safely say burn in isn't a thing to worry about today.

h9dlb:

Equivalent LG OLED TVs are still 33% cheaper than the Samsung models (eg 55inch LG C9 is £1200 v Samsung Q90T £1800)

And they kick their butts! I left Samsung and their Super UHD (SUHD rebranded as QLED the next year but the exact same quantum dot lcd panels) TV for a LG OLED and have never looked back. I did get burn in on the first screen early on but it was my own fault and I knew the risk then. I never got any after that and the newer models have been improving and improving to prevent it from happening and with 2019 forward its basically confirmed to not be a thing. I've had mine and tortured the crap out of it over the last year with 0 impact. Not to mention the burn in i did get is hardly noticeable and the screen is used daily by myself and others and no one can see it unless the screen is filled almost completely with red (it was the marvel logo years ago where I first noticed I had gotten my super bar from destiny slightly showing but just barley). If you want the best gaming display today for supper for hdmi 2.1 and the newest features of the next gen consoles amd the new gpus coming out this year you want to go with LG OLED 2019 or 2020 models.

cryohellinc:

Great points there, same thing here - go to e-tailer and good luck finding a proper 2.1 cable. You will have a mush of all kinds of offers.

You should never look form hdmi 2.1 it's not a thing that's used its the speed 48gbps that you want to look for.

Loobyluggs:

What's really annoying about all of this, is e-tailers are quite deceptive with regards to the HDMI cables they sell and whether they are or, are not; 2.1 Try it. Try going to an e-tailer and run a search on HDMI 2.1 Cables and see just how many supposed cables it lists actually are 2.1. The main problem is that the 2.0b specification does allow for 7680 × 4320 BUT it is only for 30 frames a second, with a groutesque 4:2:0 (barely YouTube quality), it does NOT do HDR10 and it most certainly does not do Auto Low Latency Mode and 'taps out' at 60 fps, with a gimped 4:2:2 pallete. You want 144fps, ALLM, HDR, 4KUHD? 2.0b is NOT gonna cut it, yet e-tailers will list 2.0b is being perfectly fine for this. Sorry for the rant, but it's such a simple thing for etailers to get right, yet; they get wrong and try to deceive you.

Just get cables that list 48gbps as their rated speed and you'll be fine. You should never shop cables based on anything but this.

Mda400:

At least now there is official branding for what is considered an HDMI 2.1 cable. Ultra High-Speed - HDMI 2.1 Premium High-Speed - HDMI 2.0 Will never forget best buy trying to sell grandma 70$ monster HDMI cables over the 17$ dynex cables.

Right the name "ultra high speed" or 48gbps is the only factors that actually matter (and to me the speed is the only TRUE indicator).

rdmetz:

Right the name "ultra high speed" or 48gbps is the only factors that actually matter (and to me the speed is the only TRUE indicator).

You are completely missing the point. The retailers are listing products that are not 2.1 with ones that are.

Loobyluggs:

You are completely missing the point. How does that prove your point when your point was apparently you could not tell the difference?

Loobyluggs:

You are completely missing the point. The retailers are listing products that are not 2.1 with ones that are.

And you're apparently able to distinguish between them. And as was pointed out, there is no such thing as a HDMI 2.1 cable. Look for https://s3-us-west-2.amazonaws.com/hdmi-web-shared/public-web/static-images/UltraHighSpeedHdmiCableWithLabel.png

I bought the LG CX 48" OLED a few days ago and i'm sending it back to the shop. It's missing all the most commonly used On Demand Apps in the UK version (no BBC iPlayer, ITV Hub, 4oD and My5). LG also managed to screw up the eARC passthrough as well for Dolby Digital and Dolby Atmos content. When 5.1 or 7.1 audio is selected in Windows 10, the speakers will click or pop every time you open a new webpage that has a video on it. It's almost as if the TV puts the audio signal to sleep every time its not in use then wakes it back up again when audio is available, instead of leaving it on constantly so that its ready and waiting without delay. If you set the audio to Dolby Atmos for Home Theater in Windows 10, sometimes the audio works, some of the time it plays crackley. It seems LG haven't implemented mutli-channel PCM through the eARC correctly. The only way to get audio working well on PC is to select 2 channel stereo audio. I have my PC hooked up to HDMI1, my Denon eARC receiver plugged into HDMI2(eARC socket), my Nintendo Switch in HDMI3. All 3 HDMI cables are Belkin HDMI 2.1 full 48Gbps bandwidth. Still... eARC refuses to work properly. Which is a shame coz my LG SM9000 Nanocell's eARC worked fine with that equipment. Another caveat to the OLED is that the screen reflects sooooo damn much. In a bright room it reflects glare back into your eyes. And in a dark room, you can't really claim to have true blacks if all you see on the screen is a mirror image of yourself and the furniture in your room. The 4k 120hz is nice, i will give it that and there's absolutely no ghosting. But the colour isn't great coz its forced into SDR 8-bit 4:2:0 chroma sampling when running in 4K 120hz mode. This is due to the limitation of the HDMI 2.0 socket on my RTX 2080Ti though. When the RTX 3000 series cards come out with true HDMI 2.1 sockets this will alleviate the problem and the TV should run at 4K 120hz 10-bit 4:4:4. But until then, things are pretty much a shit show so i've opted to return my 48" OLED for a refund. I'm not gonna wait another half a year for them to fix all the bugs for a TV i just paid £1500 for. Lessons learned: 4k 120hz is definitely the way forward but OLED glossy panels are not. Better to wait for Mini LED and Micro LED after that.

RavenMaster:

I bought the LG CX 48" OLED a few days ago and i'm sending it back to the shop.

https://www.avforums.com/reviews/lg-gx-oled65gx-4k-oled-tv-review.17543

...Apparently LG has lowered the bandwidth of its 2020 HDMI connections, so instead of the full 48Gbps 12-bit 4K at 120Hz with RGB 4:4:4 chroma sampling capacity of the 2019 TVs, they are restricted to 10-bit 4K at 120Hz with RGB 4:4:4 chroma sampling...

If that is correct, I would give LG a miss this year. Just because the panels cannot deliver 12-bit, does not mean lowering the bandwidth of the connections is justified to save...0.00000001 cents per model with mass-manufacturing. ---- If all HDMI connections are backwards compatible, can someone who works for a A/V manufacturer please justify (not rationalise) to me, why using old tech in new products is perfectly fine and dandy to you? They are your products you want me to give you money for...so, fine, just tell me why I should give you my money. HDMI 2.1 was released 3 years ago (Nov 2017) so - why have you not caught up yet?

DeViLzzz:

Eh when it comes to phones I will trust Samsung but as for tvs they have so many versions of tvs compared to not even 10 years ago and it has lowered the quality overall of their tv products in my opinion. It is nice that they are trying to cater more to the gamers out there but if I am going to throw real money at a tv I will be doing it by buying Sony. I just helped pick out a tv that would also make an awesome monitor even at 49". Also as for QLED eh nothing special. If these companies could make OLED more assuredly safe from burn in then I would be excited more about tvs.

I have been using TV's for my main computer monitor since 2006. My first TV was a Samsung 50 inch DLP at 1080p when I started, and I'm currently using a Vizio 65 inch 4K TV at 60fps. I've always been worried about burn in but I've never had problems with it on any of my sets, even though I've left my TVs on for hours at a time. My only issue with gaming on 4k TV is that some of the text on computer games become so small that it's hard to read them unless you play less than 4 feet away. Otherwise, your worries about burn in is not really much of an issue, especially nowadays with new tech. Sony is a great company, but you really don't need to burn that much cash to get a great TV. Also, for reference, I played a lot of Counter Strike and Counter Strike:GO on these TV's, which is very fast paced and requires precise and fast reactions. I did not experience any degradation in my competitiveness going from a monitor to a TV.

LG OLED B9 2019 series is where it's at.

Great comparison of arguably the best LCD and the best OLED out there. I honestly belive that there is no space for anything but oled on the high /medium end. [youtube=ZmT8yvopMLg]

PrMinisterGR:

Great comparison of arguably the best LCD and the best OLED out there. I honestly belive that there is no space for anything but oled on the high /medium end. [youtube=ZmT8yvopMLg]

Great review in to loss of image quality when using game mode on QLED and why you shouldn't worry about burn-in on OLED!

Rtings has a 20hour per day cycle with Fifa and Call of Duty, and two OLEDs (2017 models, which didn't have all the compensation methods, and different panels), don't have any signs of issues. The 2018-2020 models are already much better at that. At this point you have to really try to damage it, or remove it from power after putting it on standby, so the TV can't run its pixel check/compensation cycle.

Game mode is overrated IMHO. I enjoy my Sammy better than my OLED. I use all extra processing to both TVs plug gaming mode enabled, like, hybrid mode. I really do not care for input lag. People should really take some education. Technology is not all about benchmarks and bragging rights.