Samsung is experiencing production issues with its QD-OLED displays
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butjer1010
Where have i seen that before???? Oh Yeah - raising prices?!?
gx-x
what does samsung care for the yield? They buy them from LG, LG is the one with "30% yield" 'problem' , not samsung.
ttnuagmada
What are you talking about? Samsung is manufacturing their own TV/monitor sized OLED tech using blue OLED emitters and a red/green QD color filter. I wouldn't be surprised to maybe see Samsung source some LG WOLED panels for a mid-ranged TV model, but QD-OLED is 100% Samsung manufactured and has nothing to do with LG.
gx-x
https://www.gamespot.com/articles/samsung-will-use-lg-oled-panels-for-new-displays-report/1100-6489978/
...as an example...
Samsung can't make LG's proprietary screens, without some sort of comp. at least.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/technology/samsung-set-to-finally-make-oled-tvs-thanks-to-deal-with-lg/ar-BB1fzdgl
edit: I read a bit further and I have no idea what is going on with QD-OLED especially with QLED being the latest that Samsung presented at CES 2022 and QD-OLED TVs being made by Sony ... I don't really use or buy TVs 😛
Richard Nutman
Samsung Display is making QD-OLED and is selling panels to both Samsung Electronics (TV manufacturer) and Sony.
Samsung Electronics is also buying LG OLED panels allegedly, as well as continuing to sell QLED panels from Samsung Display.
It looks like QD-OLED won't hit consumer markets at normal prices due to this yield issue, which is why they also have done a deal with LG as backup.
schmidtbag
Well yeah, OLEDs in general are very expensive and have a short lifespan. While QD should have a longer lifespan, it is still not worth the investment for most people.
ttnuagmada
Samsung Display makes the panels. Samsung Electronics makes the TV's. Their agenda's do not always align. LG is structured the same way. Also, gamespot and MSN are about the worst place to get info on this topic. Go to AVSforum and check out their OLED technology advancement thread. You'll learn more than you ever wanted to know about OLED tech and panel manufacturing.
WOLED is the Kodak patent that LG has that others can't use. They're using white emitters with an RGB color filter. Samsung is doing something different by using blue emitters with a QD filter.
Like I mentioned in my other post. Samsung Electronics clearly has a plan to sell OLED televisions, but QD-OLED will be prohibitively expensive for the mainstream for a least the first few years, so they will also be looking to source cheaper LG panels so that they can make an entire range of models.
ttnuagmada
The Samsung tech still relies on regular blue OLED emitters at the end of the day. The main advantage QD OLED has is that it doesn't rely on a standard RGB filter like LG's do. That RGB filter reduces light output. A QD filter won't do so to nearly the same degree. They're going to use that extra headroom for brightness, and while I don't expect burn-in to be a real issue with them, it's not really a major concern with the newer generation of LG panels either.
geogan
30,000 substrates per month and 30% yield.
So what do they do with the 60,000 panels a month that fail? 😱
Can't be many other industries that can produce so many failed items per month and still think it is worthwhile or profitable to continue with them. Only way is the price you pay is for three of them instead of one!
Serotonin
Am I the only one that doesn't understand how they figure out this is an issue during production and not before it? They don't test these things before going forward with such a large process?
tunejunky
you're quite wrong.
LG has zero issues with QD deposition.
this is all on Samsung. they decided to have their proprietary QD on LG panels. they could've bought the panels complete with QD as LG also has their own (proprietary) formula for QD deposition (which is clearly superior).
do not forget that chemistry (esp. organic) is the overriding strength of LG, just as silicon is the overriding strength of Samsung.
tunejunky
you are parroting false information. the lifespan of any OLED tv is longer than the length of time the avg. consumer owns a tv.
and as far as price the LG OLED is price competitive with FALD screens (the better ones not the cheap Chinese ones).
ttnuagmada
QD-OLED is Samsung tech top-to-bottom. Anything Samsung does with LG panels won't have anything to do with QD.
tunejunky
uhh WRONG.
both companies use (different) QD.
1) Samsung is the single largest client for LG WOLED - ALL Samsung QD-OLED designs are based off of the LG panel.
2) i was at CES. the biggest thing Samsung had going at CES was QD-OLED and mini-led. Mini-led is their high end (size and expense) while QD-OLED are their top conventional sized screens.
ttnuagmada
This is not correct. The QD-OLED designs have nothing to do with LG.
Richard Nutman
Completely incorrect. QD-OLED has nothing to do with Lg. As ttnuagmada said, it's a Samsung technology.
https://www.flatpanelshd.com/focus.php?subaction=showfull&id=1642748531
schmidtbag
No, I'm not. For one thing, I'm pointing out what the general public sees about OLEDs, and older ones have left a pretty nasty impression, almost literally. My point is, consumers are hesitant to get into OLED when it's so expensive and notorious for burn-in issues, even if most of such issues are largely irrelevant on newer models.
Also, the amount of time people own a TV is a bit misrepresented. The cost of large LCD TVs has dramatically decreased in the past 5 years while increasing in pixel density, response rate, and overall quality. They also come with "smart" features, which not only many people want (I don't...) but is one of the things lowering the cost so much. People are only replacing older models because there is actually a very compelling and cost effective reason to do so. I got a 46" 4K TV for under $200 including shipping. Sure, it's mediocre, but I've used TVs worth triple what I paid from 5 years ago that were worse. Pay double what I did and you can get a very good quality LCD at the same size and resolution. Once the average person gets a large 4K smart TV, I predict they won't upgrade it for a long while.
Most people aren't going to justify the cost of OLED or QD-OLED. Only media enthusiasts are going to deal with them, and they are the most wary of such technologies.
MegaFalloutFan
Sony buys their QD-OLED panels from Samsung and they will be first to the market, before Samsung with the high end model A95K
QD-OLED is Samsung invention, LG has W-OLED, technically QD-OLED is superior, but with latest LG's OLED.EX panels [will be available this year 4K LG OLED TV's, and from companies that buy their panels from LG] that superiority shrinked a bit, still QD-OLED is superior, has wider color gamut, more NITs and less chance of burn-in
tunejunky
Again, and finally.
Samsung QD OLEDs are made with LG panels.
go ask Samsung.
ttnuagmada
You are absolutely, completely, 100% wrong. You're spreading a rumor you heard at CES that has absolutely no factual basis. LG has as much to do with QD-OLED as they do Taco Bell Chalupas
