First of all the site is .pt not .pl and that link is confusing. Second i posted this long before and sent you the info: https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/ryzen-3000-appears-in-multiple-portuguese-stores-with-higher-prices-vs-previous-gen.427274/ Third i'm going to stop sending you submissions and bother with this site because it's not the first you go grab info from other sites when you have the info first hand and can be the source yourself, i simply don't understand the logic behind this, either way good luck.

Ryzen 9 3900X 12/24 3.8 - 4.6 GHz $ 499 <--> € 548.90 *sigh* Still?

thefather:

Many AMD fans here, mantra of last two years " let support AMD because they are cool" changed to " let support AMD despite price, they will crush evil Intel " , from to many years AMD advantage was performance/price ratio, in this case I don't see it. If rumored 15% discount on Intel CPUs happened, will chose Intel any day. 500 euro for MB of consumer class product is ridicules!

While you are right, nobody needs to buy those.

thefather:

Many AMD fans here, mantra of last two years " let support AMD because they are cool" changed to " let support AMD despite price, they will crush evil Intel " , from to many years AMD advantage was performance/price ratio, in this case I don't see it. If rumored 15% discount on Intel CPUs happened, will chose Intel any day. 500 euro for MB of consumer class product is ridicules!

What are you even talking about or going on? 500 euro for MB? "let support AMD despite price, they will crush evil Intel"? None of this is reality. AMD is cheaper then intel regardless of what the performance of the 3000 series ends up being. They are cheaper on the processor, and cheaper or the same price on the motherboard, since you have 3 generations of motherboards to chose from. Nothing of what you're saying makes sense.

fantaskarsef:

Ryzen 9 3900X 12/24 3.8 - 4.6 GHz $ 499 <--> € 548.90 *sigh* Still?

$499 = €438.25 + 23% Portugal VAT = €539.04, it's really not that far off of what ideal equal prices would be. This whole VAT thing confuses me, i mean, not that VAT confuses me, but that peoples complaints of it confuse me. In the states, we have states with sales tax and states without it. Each state with sales tax has a different percentage. And yes, i do hear people complaining about sales tax, but not the way i see it done here. They don't do "Ugh, in Oregon you get something for $499, but in my state, it cost $550, my state is treated horribly!" No, as that wouldn't make sense. They simply complain about taxes in general, they don't compare themselves to other states, as those states have income tax that affect every single item they buy and rent and mortgage they just don't even know it. Everyone complains about taxes, but for some reason, when it comes to countries with VAT, people act like it's the USA, or any other countries product of origin, that is screwing them over....because of their VAT? i don't get it. To me, if you see a USD MSRP, then you should immediately do the exchange rate plus whatever your VAT is, and then if it's SIGNIFICANTLY off from whatever that value turns out to be, THEN there should be complaining, but this does not appear to be.

I don't see the problem here.... It's exactly how MSI chief said in an interview about their talks with AMD about how AMD decided to go from "budget platform" to premium. Once again AMD is not the white knight coming to rescue from ugly Intel but a tech company that is ultimately driven by profit: they see an opportunity now and they will exploit it.

@thefather, luckily AMD is not Intel and doesn't change supported chipsets everytime it release a new CPU!

barbacot:

they see an opportunity now and they will exploit it.

By exploit you mean give consumers more choices? AM4 socket is supported by Ryzen 3000 series and you can decide for yourself what features you need. There are plenty of choices. So far only Intel been exploiting consumers with a new sockets required to run a new CPUs. Just cause there higher end motherboards, it doesn't mean you MUST have it. As you don't need highest end CPU

In January I had hopes that the 16c/32t would be 499USD. Reality is, AMD doesn't need to be that aggressive, and the prices aren't bad at all. I just wish there would be a 3700 to make me jump the 8 core. The 3700X is just too expensive for me. Also, as I don't want X570, I have to figure out how to update a board with BIOS without the old CPUs... I know, MSI and some other boards have that, but I'm sort of in love with Asus TUF B450M Pro.

thefather:

pardon https://shop.krob.at/GIGABYTE-X570-AORUS-ULTRA-X570-AORUS-ULTRA-AM4/product.html/eid_AC3506404/ 424 🙂

PARDON X470: $129 https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-X470-AORUS-ULTRA-GAMING/dp/B07BZ239Z2/ref=sr_1_5?keywords=X470+Motherboard&qid=1561367064&s=gateway&sr=8-5 Z390 : $239 https://www.amazon.com/GIGABYTE-Z390-AORUS-LGA1151-Motherboard/dp/B07HRZKSX4/ref=sxin_2_ac_d_pm?keywords=Z390&pd_rd_i=B07HRZKSX4&pd_rd_r=1e14c141-8b9c-4d06-9410-de960b5154f8&pd_rd_w=1j8wZ&pd_rd_wg=L4mIo&pf_rd_p=64aaff2e-3b89-4fee-a107-2469ecbc5733&pf_rd_r=2M5C9TZJ4JJHY5AJQHWK&qid=1561367210&s=gateway You done? 😀 WOW! Intel twice the price for a mobo! "AMD is expensive"! hahaha 😀

thefather:

pardon https://shop.krob.at/GIGABYTE-X570-AORUS-ULTRA-X570-AORUS-ULTRA-AM4/product.html/eid_AC3506404/ 424 🙂

So you're basing your whole idea off of one listing of one product when there's x370 boards on the same website you linked for €113.61 and x470 boards on the same website you linked for €161.79 and x570 (boards that haven't even been released so any pricing on them ultimately is a grain of salt in the first place) for €295 but you instead come back and show us this €424 board................not to mention b450 boards and etc. Don't worry i can do that too. Man you better not go Intel! They're expensive! Their Z390 board is €606!!!! WOW! https://shop.krob.at/Gigabyte-Z390-AORUS-XTREME-GIGA-Z390-AORUS-XTREME-S1151v2-DDR4-ATX/searchResultProduct.html/eid_WM2120205/?q=Z390&bk=c2VhcmNoLmh0bWwvb18xZC8-cT1aMzkw Hello intel.

barbacot:

I don't see the problem here.... It's exactly how MSI chief said in an interview about their talks with AMD about how AMD decided to go from "budget platform" to premium. Once again AMD is not the white knight coming to rescue from ugly Intel but a tech company that is ultimately driven by profit: they see an opportunity now and they will exploit it.

Don't know how you can be making this comment in this thread, as the prices shown here are pretty much in line with the conversion rate and VAT in portugal, so if it was expensive when AMDs processors were first announced, then it'd be the same here and there'd be no reason to make your nonsensical post. But that's not the case, you're just using this thread as a means to show your intel loyalty around and BS. You could have said it for x570 announcements, and you probably did, but even then you'd be wrong, since x370, b450, and x470 exist. So many intel employees as of late.

thefather:

Exactly , for the equal performance two companies charged same money, everything else is bla, bla, bla

Care to share where both companies are the same price? 'Cmon, i dare you, i know you can do it! Except, you won't be able to. For one, performance numbers aren't officially out yet. For two, x570 boards have not all been outed for their price For three, x570 isn't the only board you can buy. So.....yeah good luck with that impossible task.

How pathetic is some blue eyed fanboys' strained attempt. 🙂

emperorsfist:

So it's the same pricing as Intel, only a newer generation (presuming, anything new from Intel will cost the same). Also, the 3000 series is pricier in the Eurozone (funnily enough, the 2000 series is much closer to the dollar value, often cheaper). Great...

Don't spread lies, thank you. It will be 500 EUR.

oxidized:

Platform cost? As i already said, x570 will probably cost around that of z390, and no, nobody would buy a x470 with a brand new ryzen 3000, for many reasons.

Name one, Intel fanboy. Moreover, check this out: A320 with a Ryzen 3600

thefather:

for the equal performance two companies charged same money, everything else is bla, bla, bla for all Fans kiss 🙂

Boy, aren't we suddenly neutral! Guess a bit of sense does wised you up 😀

BReal85:

Don't spread lies, thank you. It will be 500 EUR.

Don't assume, wait official/final release prices on 7/7. Thank you.

thefather:

for the equal performance two companies charged same money, everything else is bla, bla, bla for all Fans kiss 🙂

Ah, i see, so you can't prove this statement, instead, you just basically copy and paste it again. Good job intel! Copying and pasting previous released products is what you're good at, and apparently statements too!

oxidized:

Platform cost? As i already said, x570 will probably cost around that of z390, and no, nobody would buy a x470 with a brand new ryzen 3000, for many reasons.

And what are those many reasons?

sverek:

Don't assume, wait official/final release prices on 7/7. Thank you.

It is 500$, no one cares what day one, first week extras does a retail shop charge.

oxidized:

Platform cost? As i already said, x570 will probably cost around that of z390, and no, nobody would buy a x470 with a brand new ryzen 3000, for many reasons.

I didn't even see this part of the post, and that i am sorry for. So i'm just going to put it out there: I would! Guess i'm nobody.... Oh wait, many people here would! Guess we're all nobody........ I'd even go for a x370, in fact, i have an x370 i'll likely put a 3000 series CPU into, not likely the 12 or 16 core, but it looks like a great upgrade! And you know the best part about it is? I'm not going to be upset i don't have any of those x470 or x570 features.......because i don't need them, why would i buy more expensive items for features i don't need? Makes zero sense. Seems to me your post should have stated: Many people will be buying x370, b450 and x470 over the x570, for logical reasons.

BReal85:

It is 500$, no one cares what day one, first week extras does a retail shop charge.

$500 is not 500 euros. Just putting it out there. And considering every euro spending country has VAT (i believe? Correct me if i'm wrong) and the lowest VAT country is 17% (that i can find), that should mean the processors will be 512 euros at minimum, higher if your VAT is higher. This is if the exchange rate was accurate, ofcourse.

A320 with Ryzen 3600

BReal85:

A320 with Ryzen 3600

I love how AMD said A320 motherboards wouldn't work, and some motherboard manufacturers said "Here, hold my beer!"

BReal85:

Don't spread lies, thank you. It will be 500 EUR.

Source, thank you? I at least have the chart Hilbert provided to go by.

Are you people genuinely not quite right in the head these days? This thing hasn't even been released yet. E-tailers will be having a field day price gouging until there's enough volume in the pipeline for the prices to settle down to something reasonable. That said, the MSRP is what it is. Add your local VAT and that's where the initial price is going to be.

I´m glad Hilbert posted this so other members can see for themselves the wonderfull prices we pay in Portugal thanks to that lovely 23% VAT... The good news is that the prices are a little higher than normal in order to milk the early adopters/buyers and there are cheaper stores so i woudln´t be surprised if in a few months the prices of the 3900X, 3800X and 3700X drop to around 510€, 400€ and 320€ respectively. Personally the prices are just a little higher than i expected but nothing out of the ordinary because Intel CPUs are simply too expensive so AMD can prices their own a little higher. Also the only Ryzens that i like are the 3700X and the 3600, that has already a very nice price. Great CPU for a mainstream gaming system.

Guys 😀 ryzen 3000 + b450 will be a cheap new build for whoever wants to try a new pc in 2019. I do not think there is much to argue about this. Also please stop comparing a 12c price to a 8c price, now that ipc is similar ( or better, would love to see a benchmark between equally clocked 9th gen from intel and 3rd gen from amd ) there are a couple of hundred mhz more on the 9900k. Intel fanboys will attack ryzen prices on the first week, that will be driven by high request. We all know that in september/october prices will be leveled to market rules, both AMD and INTEL.