Rumor of Intel closing a license deal with AMD getting stronger

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I don't believe Intel will pair their CPU die with AMD's GPU. No way. Using some IP licenses is a different case. It is well known that Nvidia's license to Intel expired, so Intel needs someone else (the only choice is AMD) to still be able to release something with GPU.
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It is well known that Nvidia's license to Intel expired, so Intel needs someone else (the only choice is AMD) to still be able to release something with GPU.
if i remember it was cross technology exchange and AMD used it for Ryzen... it look like the best deal that M$ have done years ago on smartphone: whatever smartphone you bought from concurent, Apple or Android, part of the money goes in their pocket without doing nothing.
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if i remember it was cross technology exchange and AMD used it for Ryzen... .
Considering ZEN/RYZEN has been conceived like 5-7 years ago, I can't see it having any cross-technology licensing ties with Intel in regards to current GPU licensing.
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Does this extend to mobile parts as well? That is where AMD has a large advantage I hope they keep.
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I don't believe Intel will pair their CPU die with AMD's GPU. No way. Using some IP licenses is a different case. It is well known that Nvidia's license to Intel expired, so Intel needs someone else (the only choice is AMD) to still be able to release something with GPU.
i believe the license is not about something like using AMDs GPU i believe it license more about the tech similar to ARM licensing (cortex or architectural licensing) with the license intel will build their own things, there wont be any amd parts. AMD been doing really good with their SoC (jaguar)... i guess there something intel want to make their as good as AMDs
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Considering ZEN/RYZEN has been conceived like 5-7 years ago, I can't see it having any cross-technology licensing ties with Intel in regards to current GPU licensing.
Agree for the project start, but as my race car where intended to be with Ford engine and were on track with Vauxhall when 1st hit the track... , i think i have read that it was an "exchange" of technology and was integrated in Zen. Anyway it will not change anything for us 🙂
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Why would they license AMD's integrated graphics when their own is just as good if not better nowadays?
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Why would they license AMD's integrated graphics when their own is just as good if not better nowadays?
They don't have basic licensing for patents. This is going to be a patent exchange.
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Why would they license AMD's integrated graphics when their own is just as good if not better nowadays?
Truth be told though we have not seen a new APU in years. If Summit Ridge rumors are true, then we will see some good performance coming out of their igpu's soon enough. But even if the hardware is capable Intel compared to AMD, drivers for IGPU on the Intel side are horrible.
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Not gonna happen. Even if they wanted a 3rd party integrated GPU it would be with NV. NV parts are just much better especially for mobile parts where perf/w is most important. Pascal is like 50% better in that regard compared to polaris.
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^ you have clearly never tinkered with one of AMD's APU's they are king in overall performance on a single chip even at 28/32nm
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Not gonna happen. Even if they wanted a 3rd party integrated GPU it would be with NV. NV parts are just much better especially for mobile parts where perf/w is most important. Pascal is like 50% better in that regard compared to polaris.
It has nothing to do with integrating silicone. Intel was licensing display patents from NVIDIA, now they will from AMD. Also Apple seems to disagree with you.
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well onboard amd is a hell of a lot faster then intel onboard is garbage
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well onboard amd is a hell of a lot faster then intel onboard is garbage
Iris Pro itself is pretty capable, but the fact you can't overclock it like you can some APU's, and memory clocks really have no performance affect on them as well, and then the fact Intel drivers are awful and anything with an Iris Pro is not cheap, it's not worth it.
#5432453
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Intel and nvidia have a shakey past since nvidia made the nforce chipset and brought dual channel memory and other technologies that are in use still I felt it was sour grapes on intels part soooooooo I don't think intel/nvidia would happen back when the news of amd gpu intel cpu deal broke the idea of it was amazing but now Ryzen is here I'd tell intel no and kick ass dominating the apu section make a few quid and continue to develop real game changing products
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Intel and nvidia have a shakey past since nvidia made the nforce chipset and brought dual channel memory and other technologies that are in use still I felt it was sour grapes on intels part soooooooo I don't think intel/nvidia would happen back when the news of amd gpu intel cpu deal broke the idea of it was amazing but now Ryzen is here I'd tell intel no and kick ass dominating the apu section make a few quid and continue to develop real game changing products
Why would AMD say no, when they can do the licensing deal, make money on that and still dominate with APUs and make money both ways? As for what the licensing agreement means - this is what Anandtech wrote about the original agreement when Nvidia won the court case with Intel:
Update: While we're still working on our full rundown of the agreement, there's been some speculation over at Ars Technica about what this agreement means for Intel; specifically claiming that NVIDIA GPUs will be appearing in Intel CPUs, on the basis of the fact that Intel is licensing NVIDIA technology. I'm not a lawyer (though I do play one on the Internet) however I disagree with this reading - Intel has to license NVIDIA technology to avoid running afoul of the company's large patent portfolio with their own IGPs. It's for all practical purposes impossible to build a desktop GPU without infringing on an AMD/NV patent. This agreement allows Intel to continue producing their IGPs, just as how the original 2004 chipset agreement allowed Intel to produce more modern IGPs in return for NVIDIA getting a chipset license. -Ryan Smith
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4121/the-license-agreement-intel-to-pay-nvidia-15-billion I bolded the important parts. I remember the ars article when everyone was claiming similar things to what they are with the AMD agreement.. that Intel would be integrating Nvidia GPU's into their processors. Obviously that didn't happen and I don't think we'll see AMD GPUs in Intel processors either.
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Fair enough you've done much more research into this it's all far more political than I'm interest in, so basically it boils down to intel need permission to make cpu/gpu combo regardless of whos gpu ip they use?