Really? I think the exact opposite. Fugly looking thing if you ask me. Definitely NOT a thing of beauty!! The aluminium cover looks like something I've whipped up in my back shed.

I fully agree, everywhere people seem to be praising the design, but really, the design is just a metal block with a logo on it. I thought the FE models already looked bad and kinda placeholder designs because they couldn't come up with anything, but apparently thats what they are sticking with. Admittedly AMD has used these blocky designs for a while, but still.

Why do people always say it's a fail if it doesn't beat the competition? The card has plenty of new tech in it and we haven't seen benchmarks yet. I believe it won't be much different from a 1080 but at least they didn't quit tracking Nvidia. AMD did an amazing job with Zen, now that they have some more money, let's hope they can innovate with the next GPU.

Its a matter of expectations and hype. Everyone has been hyped and expecting a new high-end card to match the high-end options we currently have. Releasing a new card that can match a 1080 over a year after the 1080 came out isn't a good sign of ever catching up to the top-end of the performance spectrum. Sure, they can keep playing in the value league like they have with Polaris, but they haven't exactly managed the expectations towards that, so it leaves a lot of people disappointed at best.

I think the cards look pretty cool 🙂 I hope the Aircooled version can be flashed with the liquid version BIOS, because I want to put my own waterblock on there, and plumb it into my 240 rad. If its only $499 for the top (not limited edition) aircooled version, thats fine by me. Now just need some benches, confirmation of price, and an order form.

Looks like brick. 😀

Those stock air coolers that AMD uses on their cards are awful, especially with high tdp cards. It's better to wait for custom cooling solutions to keep noise and temps in place.

I would never give more than 500$ for any pc part as i am a lifer with tons of responsibilities, not a no lifer bedroom lover. If their red rebellion's cheapest top tier product performs better than gtx1080 i am gonna buy it. If not i am gonna wait for greenie gtx2070. ***128516;

I personally don't care about how fast are vegas and if they beat or not the GTX 1080, because I already have one and I'm not going to side-grade for any reason. However, what I DO care is that there is competition in the market, to keep the prices in check. I paid for this 1080 a LOT of money, and definitely not pleased with that. Without AMD being reasonably competitive, the prices of nVidia products will continue to creep up, and one day we'll pay 3000 $ for a mid-range videocard. Other than NVDA shareholders and their C-level management, is there anyone else who wants that to happen? I don't think so. So GJ AMD for releasing VEGA !, even if late and not exactly exciting...

I'll just drop this here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Su418ixxZZs

Funny and definitely sad because it feels so true...

Seriously?Are u saying this in manner of Sarcasm? because this is the most crappy design ever.

Lol! i was totally serious about it, well but that's a very subjective aspect, i feel the late nvidia designs are a little childish, i like the sharp corners clean blower design of vega. I think AMD have had a very hard task with this card. If i were rich i would buy one for sure, but i'm looking to firepro ones.

Design-crown??? It is always amusing to find how people manage to see what they WANT to see. Just a common alumina case which could be just anything at all: a cigarette box, HDD case/enclosure etc.. Yet, in a blink of an eye, a man who proclaims it being a "crown of design" will be jumping with joy...

I understand people not happy with the price or performance of RX Vega but it's what it is. AMD change there tone once 1080 Ti came out & became quite of Vega. Even if AMD lose money on Vega ($499) they have to take it because no one want a $649 GPU that rivial GTX 1080 power level it's not smart plus 1080 is $549 so if AMD price Vega at $600 it's losing to a 1080 still.

This must be one of the best looking reference cards I have see to date. Back here in South Africa all AMD GPU's are sold out everywhere and people are currently selling their RX480's & RX580's for way more second hand than what it was new. It has everything to do with the whole Bitcoin story. So I might just sell my RX580 Red Devil for 20% more than what I bought it and then get the RX Vega Air cooled edition when it come in the next 2 months. Or if all ells fail, I will just get a GTX1070 and call it a day.

I believe this bitcoin thing is what going to drive the prices of these cards. If they do a great job at it they will sell out at insane prices even if they can't compete at 1080ti levels. IF not amd will let them sit at high prices to see how they sell. If they dont sell they will have to lower the prices. If you look at the consoles microsoft and sony took huge losses at the beginning but they made up ground as they sold more and more. IF the drivers keep these cards close to 1080-1080ti performance they will slowly sell then when the price drops little they will sell more. The more they sell and yields of hbm2 gets better and better they will make a ton of money on these cards. Right now HBM2 is going to be the key factor on how much they make on these cards and how low they can price them. In a year these cards will be down to very reasonable prices for the performance. I like the fact that these cards are baseline of what to come. Yes they are fighting older tech but these are just beginning. Just like ryzen first releases are the trial and error. Then as they keep correcting things in feature releases then they will get better and better. This is not the first time ati/amd dropped the ball. Anyone remember the ati hd2900 series. Yeah nvidia wiped the floor with that series. I not expecting a titan killer anytime soon from amd as they know its not a huge market. Even high end gaming is a small portion of what they make every year. Remember budget cards are the money makers for everyone. OEM's will be the ones who buy these up first.

Raja is now into Ghostbusters cosplay?

I personally don't care about how fast are vegas and if they beat or not the GTX 1080, because I already have one and I'm not going to side-grade for any reason. However, what I DO care is that there is competition in the market, to keep the prices in check. I paid for this 1080 a LOT of money, and definitely not pleased with that. Without AMD being reasonably competitive, the prices of nVidia products will continue to creep up, and one day we'll pay 3000 $ for a mid-range videocard. Other than NVDA shareholders and their C-level management, is there anyone else who wants that to happen? I don't think so. So GJ AMD for releasing VEGA !, even if late and not exactly exciting...

When AMD stopped releasing competetive products Nvidia first sold the 560ti successor chip as the 680. Then the 580 successor went from a $550 GPU to $1,000 and they called it the Titan. Full GF110 $550, partial GK110 $1,000. Makes sense. Then the 980 removed DP, they even had to re-released the GK110 with slight modifications as GK210 for their educated professional customers while consumers got GM200 which was GK110 with a slightly redesigned SM, cache and stripped of FP64 cores to make room for more 28nm SP cores. Small chip comes out as the 1080, but at least this time they called the new GP102 which has no DP performance the 1080ti, because now consumers cant buy Nvidias highest end GPU unless they buy the $6,000 Quadro GP100, which fills the same role that the GK110 filled not long ago, and the GF110 before it. $550 to $6,000 for Nvidias big chip GPU in a few short years. Only slightly outpaces inflation lol.

Why do people always say it's a fail if it doesn't beat the competition? The card has plenty of new tech in it and we haven't seen benchmarks yet. I believe it won't be much different from a 1080 but at least they didn't quit tracking Nvidia. AMD did an amazing job with Zen, now that they have some more money, let's hope they can innovate with the next GPU.

The problem is the hype generated before every launch. I have nothing against a card that doesn't beat the competition, as you can see i have a FuryX, this card at launch was slower then 980ti. But the ****ing hype, AMD has this stupid tendency of building such a big hype over nothing. I agree that Ryzen is a success story, finally. But we are talking about a GPU this time.

The problem is the hype generated before every launch. I have nothing against a card that doesn't beat the competition, as you can see i have a FuryX, this card at launch was slower then 980ti. But the ****ing hype, AMD has this stupid tendency of building such a big hype over nothing. I agree that Ryzen is a success story, finally. But we are talking about a GPU this time.

The hype is made by the users, I don't see AMD hyping Vega for the last 7 months. And now this silent lunch. If anything, they tried to contain the hype as much as possible. They presented the tech and said what the card could do. They compared it with a 1080 since the first live demos. I don't see how AMD is to blame on hype created by people.

When AMD stopped releasing competetive products Nvidia first sold the 560ti successor chip as the 680. Then the 580 successor went from a $550 GPU to $1,000 and they called it the Titan. Full GF110 $550, partial GK110 $1,000. Makes sense. Then the 980 removed DP, they even had to re-released the GK110 with slight modifications as GK210 for their educated professional customers while consumers got GM200 which was GK110 with a slightly redesigned SM, cache and stripped of FP64 cores to make room for more 28nm SP cores. Small chip comes out as the 1080, but at least this time they called the new GP102 which has no DP performance the 1080ti, because now consumers cant buy Nvidias highest end GPU unless they buy the $6,000 Quadro GP100, which fills the same role that the GK110 filled not long ago, and the GF110 before it. $550 to $6,000 for Nvidias big chip GPU in a few short years. Only slightly outpaces inflation lol.

But the thing is they "can" do this because AMD has been MIA for the most part of the last 8 years with the few exceptions where they catch lighting in a bottle for a few months. If AMD would start delivering promised performance on time Nvidia would not be able to do what they have been doing. You keep on this whole 580's successor was supposed to be the successor to 560ti however that is not at all how performance shakes out. 680 was about 20% faster than 580. Had a full gk104 been released as the 660ti it would have been twice as fast as the 560ti. Hell the 660ti was still 50% faster. Also yields were so bad on gk100 they has to re-do the GPU as gk110. Nvidia was forced to release gk104 first (lucky for them Tahiti's initial performance was crap) as gk100 was now non-operational. I don't like the Titan line at all, however it does sell you know why? Because people will pay for it. the old saying goes, "The price is what people will pay."

The hype is made by the users, I don't see AMD hyping Vega for the last 7 months. And now this silent lunch. If anything, they tried to contain the hype as much as possible. They presented the tech and said what the card could do. They compared it with a 1080 since the first live demos. I don't see how AMD is to blame on hype created by people.

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I wasnt talking about how the relative performance shakes out. Im talking about GPU product lines and architectures. GK104 is the successor to GF114, not GF110. GK110 is the successor to GF110, as Nvidias own product code indicates. The 102 chips are the successor to GM200, which itself was a completely new direction for their biggest GPU chip and the beginning of the entire 102 family of chips. With GP100 and GV100, the large 100/110/200/210 chips have diverged entirely from the consumer GPU lineup and will not be used in consumer graphics cards at all. I know very well that the relative performance of their combined die shrink and new architectures allows them to release small 104 chips as x80 graphics cards, but i am pointing out that Nvidias own product codes contradict the marketing names of the cards. Yes, clearly they can do it because no competition. I agree thats why they did it. Its a smart business move, but it also shows how bad a lack of competition is for the buyer.

I hear a lot of AMD Fans talking about Intel's anti-competitive tactics and how it hurt AMD CPU sales and amd lost fair amount of market share due to it. Ok for arguement sake lets assume its true but then what about GPU market? Did Nvidia also indulged in some anti-competitive practice in gpu market now? According to steam hardware survey, AMDs Market share in both CPU and GPU market is ~20%. So let's face it, poor market share is due to AMD failing to deliver performance for the past decade in both sections. Price/performance can only take you so far and not to mention that finding AMD products at MSRP in my country (Asian) is a challenge in itself while intel/nvidia is always abundant and in stock at MSRP. AMD also need to step up their inventory stock in other countries. More then half of world's population lives in Asia.

1. AMD GPU failed to deliver performance for the past decade? Are you nuts, mate? Do you remember 290X? It was only 4 years ago. 2. CPU section: You were right about its past. Intel killed FX with the i CPU-s. However, Ryzen is out. And it's a price/performance killer compared to Intel.

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