480(aka 580) 1500mhz is ahead of 1060 2100mhz. How does nvidia plan to be competitive at mid segment with 1060 and 1050ti? Those cards are way slower. https://s8.postimg.org/uk4x4jcnp/Untitled.png

480(aka 580) 1500mhz is ahead of 1060 2100mhz. How does nvidia plan to be competitive at mid segment with 1060 and 1050ti? Those cards are way slower. [spoiler]https://s8.postimg.org/uk4x4jcnp/Untitled.png

[/spoiler] They would have to release a (probably non-existent) "1060 Ti" - Or instead offer 1070 for ~$250

480(aka 580) 1500mhz is ahead of 1060 2100mhz. How does nvidia plan to be competitive at mid segment with 1060 and 1050ti? Those cards are way slower.

I mean every recent game I've seen Nvidia already looks competitive. The chart you just posted Nvidia looks competitive. Why do they have to do anything?

480(aka 580) 1500mhz is ahead of 1060 2100mhz. How does nvidia plan to be competitive at mid segment with 1060 and 1050ti? Those cards are way slower.

You just posted a screen showing 1060 is winning. 1060 is faster in DX11 than 480 is in DX12. We all know BF1 is a buggy mess in dx12 for both sides. So using DX12 is useless anyways.

Yes while you say some stuff about Nvidia is crap like the Geforce experience. If Nvidia mid rage cards were crap like you are claiming then how come they are doing so well that AMD needs do a refresh of their Polaris cards? Nvidia has done some stupid stuff like the 1060 3GB for example.

Nvidia midrange cards have been crap historically. GTX 660 vs HD 7870, GTX 760 vs 7950, GTX 960 vs R9 380, GTX 1060 vs RX 480. With the possible exception of the 6GB 1060 (which is also starting to show its cracks in newer games, not even a year after it was introduced), NVIDIA's midrange is basically crap.

You just posted a screen showing 1060 is winning. 1060 is faster in DX11 than 480 is in DX12. We all know BF1 is a buggy mess in dx12 for both sides. So using DX12 is useless anyways.

DX12 for BF1 is better for large scale multiplayer. These were taken from a video about Ryzen vs the 7700k done by Mindblank. If you see the DX11 1080p numbers of both the cards, their averages are the same, but the RX 480 destroys it in 1% and 0.1% frame times, which in simple terms it means that it behaves much better regarding stutter. http://imgur.com/n88OEn2.jpg Interesting things happen with DX12 also, where the 1700X+RX 480 combo is giving better performance than the 7700k+GTX 1060 combo. All that with the 7700k@5.0GHz and the GTX 1060 at 2.1GHz. The RX 480 and the 1700X are also overclocked to the brim, so you basically see the best of both worlds. http://imgur.com/VbMnC7Y.jpg So, it isn't as simple as that. It all depends on the price points of the cards. AMD is also offering an extra 1/2GB of VRAM and higher raw memory bandwidth.

480s at launch were getting no where near 1500 core. One would have to spend more on the better models to get those clocks. GTX 1060 can clock just fine since its around 120W on just about any cooler. That spreadsheet is great and all but not representative of the average 480. Also I still think the 480/1060 debate is pointless with the price of the Fury Nitro being too close to them.

I just wanna apologize ahead of time to whoever buys this. You can call me a fanboy or whatever. You can say apologist crap like "completion is good." You can ban me. Whatever. This needs to be the Nvidia killer, and Nvidia is a step ahead in SOFTWARE. Sorry to sound like a fanboy, I don't believe in that crap. I do believe software wins in the end though, always. AMD has shown only surface attempts to bring software up to spec. Focusing whatever capital they have for this on hardware. It doesnt matter anymore. If this is Ryzen priced GPU edition. Nope. Sorry. Flame the **** out of me whatever.

I'm going to take a stab and say the majority of sales of GPUs revolve around hardware performance, rather than random software inclusions. Maybe I'm wrong about that. Meanwhile, in driver land, new versions still break random things whether they're green or red :infinity:.

Nice to see he got it up to 1400-1500MHz. A good example of what the process change enables in that region.

A good example of what liquid cooling can do rather.

Those numbers don't mean shmit unless compared with others...

[/spoiler] They would have to release a (probably non-existent) "1060 Ti" - Or instead offer 1070 for ~$250

If they made the 1070 $250 it would be a killer. Even I that I need a freesync card would be pulling my hair about that one.

We all know BF1 is a buggy mess in dx12 for both sides. So using DX12 is useless anyways.

A buggy mess? Are you talking about Nvidia DX12 drivers? Because if not, all DX12 games are "a buggy mess" then.

A good example of what liquid cooling can do rather.

You cant just slap watercooling and expect to get good numbers. My 290 doesnt overclock much at all, but I think thats due to not being allowed to push by the drivers. Could be a low clock chip. I could also try BIOS mods, but not until I have a replacement 😉 The process will show what the average overclock will be, and some will get golden cards that can do a bit more, and better designed cards with better headroom. 14-1500 wasnt "average" for the RX480's. If its average for the 580's, thats a good sign.

TimmyP "I just wanna apologize ahead of time to whoever buys this. You can call me a fanboy or whatever. You can say apologist crap like "completion is good." You can ban me. Whatever. This needs to be the Nvidia killer, and Nvidia is a step ahead in SOFTWARE. Sorry to sound like a fanboy, I don't believe in that crap. I do believe software wins in the end though, always. AMD has shown only surface attempts to bring software up to spec. " I wouldn't say this one in the state of current NV drivers from the last year and a half. Hotfix of hotfix of hotfix drivers, etc. But nice try Timmy.