Me looking at modern hardware that literally unsafe to use by manufacturer's designs: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/692/170/23e.gif Now ask me again why I want to build custom h2o loops... so I can extinguish fires right away!

fantaskarsef:

Me looking at modern hardware that literally unsafe to use by manufacturer's designs: https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/001/692/170/23e.gif Now ask me again why I want to build custom h2o loops... so I can extinguish fires right away!

HAHAHAHA!!! Nothing like spending 3-4k then to have it go away.... I have definitely been in that situation before, that's why I wait to upgrade nowadays.

It's always the same row of 6 pins as well. Have yet to see reports of anything below a 4080 melting, even the cases of a 4080 can be counted on one hand.

Typhon Six Six Six:

HAHAHAHA!!! Nothing like spending 3-4k then to have it go away.... I have definitely been in that situation before, that's why I wait to upgrade nowadays.

I mean, I understand your point of view, but how long do they want to play that? We're talking about at least a year (longer?) that the 12VHPWR connector is around... and it's still an issue? We're talking about VBIOS and RAM settings that kill your GPU, saving on PCB space for literally 0.0something more % of earnings per SKU that they make more profit, and it doesn't look like it's going to end? We all know the companies will only cheap out in production more and in addition charge more for their products... and blame every evil that cuts down their revenue or profit on the user or market anyway. What I'm trying to say is, I do not see big chances in things improving in reasonable time frames. But I can be quite pessimistic at times 😀

TheDeeGee:

It's always the same row of 6 pins as well. Have yet to see reports of anything below a 4080 melting, even the cases of a 4080 can be counted on one hand.

I wish we would get numbers and statistics that really carry some weight and are credible... since it's probably low numbers compared to shipped and sold numbers of SKUs (producing them alone means nothing, how many are in use means everything). I can honestly believe that no card besides the 4090 suffers any such fates but how many are they really? 20? 200? 2000? That's what we still have no really reliable data on... All in all, I just see that the hardware manufacturers have a serious credibility problem, since all of their hardware is prone ot one or the other issue. Not like back in the day, when you were worried about your overclocks or mods breaking hardware, these days you are perfectly fine to burn down your PC and do nothing that voids warranty... until they simply deny you the warranty. Customers in the EU are somewhat better protected I believe (within 6 months the company has to prove the customer was responsible for the hardware defect... have fun proving that), but you first have to have an already started RMA process, and second, you're fresh short of any hardware you send off in the meantime...

At least my 4060 Ti, sorry, my 4070, isn't a risky card with its relatively low consumption.

It's a bad clumsy design. The should go back to the drawing board.

Nvidia the way is meant to be played... Nice to see that the price is going up and so are the problems...

On other hand 600w at this voltage 24/7 seem a bit at the limit looking at how thin are the connector (or maybe it's just my industrial past who make me think so). I know that the use is not 24/7 and doesn't constantively draw 600w, but it should be able to do it 100% secure, and obviously, looking at craphic board, PSU (not only bequiet!), ... It can't It's always due to users (never thinking that maybe it is connector)... Just for info: for 12v 300w i were used wire bigger than the plug of this connector.

fantaskarsef:

until they simply deny you the warranty. Customers in the EU are somewhat better protected I believe (within 6 months the company has to prove the customer was responsible for the hardware defect... have fun proving that), but you first have to have an already started RMA process, and second, you're fresh short of any hardware you send off in the meantime...

6 month waranty on 2nd hand and B-stock 1 year on new one 14 days direct exchange or cashback whatever happened if the box is complete. On top of that 2 year of waranty from the constructor.

rl66:

6 month waranty on 2nd hand and B-stock 1 year on new one 14 days direct exchange or cashback whatever happened if the box is complete. On top of that 2 year of waranty from the constructor.

I have bought a TV in 2019 (LG one, still LCD though) and I had to go through 3 models to get one that's not faulty by factory. That's when I really read into it, and you are right with all you say. Here I just learned, that if the issue is within the first 6 months of using a device, the manufacturer has to prove it was the user's fault, the second 6 months the user has to prove it was the manufacturer's fault. And then it's another 12 months (all with new hardware) that's actually summarized as a "repair service", although you might still have to pay for shipping back and forth and handling. I do not know the proper English terms, but in German it's "Garantie" and "Gewährleistung"... and the best thing is, "Garantie" (guarantee) at times is actually worse than the "Gewährleistung", that's mandatory by EU law. So whenever I see some extra "Garantie" service in the first 2 years, they actually charge the customer more to give him less influence on how and when he gets a working product after buying a faulty one. Neat little trick actually helping companies more than customers. But that's actually all going quite OT here... I would like to buy a 4090 (super), but it's like playing the lottery, and instead of winning big 1% of the time and losing nothing 99%, you lose big with 1% and win nothing the other 99% of the time. So actually, the bad way around. That's why news like this are potentially upsetting for me personally.

I have stated in several guru3D PSU reviews that I NEVER buy 1st gen new tech (or cars or anything else). This is why I bought an Asus Thor II 1200w Platinum to replace my Thor I 850w when I upgraded to a Suprim X 4090. The 1200w version came with a 600w cable for the 4090 but the PSU has two power sockets at the PSU, not a single 600w socket we see here. I've seen a max power use of 780w when playing Metro Exodus Enhanced and I have every confidence in my last gen PSU.

Its really unfortunate because in my opinion RTX 4090 is a true 4k gaming milestone. 12VHPWR drama totally eclipsed the performance of the card.

another dumbass that doesn't visually inspect his connections.

nicugoalkeper:

Nvidia the way is meant to be played... Nice to see that the price is going up and so are the problems...

More like Nvidia the way is meant to be melted.

https://www.guru3d.com/index.php?ct=news&action=thumb&id=55638 If you look at the picture closely the power connector wires look like they are bent from being at the warned 90 degree angle, or at least it is bent at an angle as opposed to being straight. https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/bcnZz6jErEvg5mC7Tkzm7f-320-80.jpg I will hold judgment to wait and see if more of these pop up with the psu.

NewTRUMP Order:

If you look at the picture closely the power connector wires look like they are bent from being at the warned 90 degree angle, or at least it is bent at an angle as opposed to being straight.

That proves nothing, prying a melted connector out of its socket is never a gentle affair. I've pulled the pins straight out of the socket in melted connections before. I wouldn't be surprised if that person had to lever it back and forth to get it out.

fantaskarsef:

I mean, I understand your point of view, but how long do they want to play that? We're talking about at least a year (longer?) that the 12VHPWR connector is around... and it's still an issue? We're talking about VBIOS and RAM settings that kill your GPU, saving on PCB space for literally 0.0something more % of earnings per SKU that they make more profit, and it doesn't look like it's going to end? We all know the companies will only cheap out in production more and in addition charge more for their products... and blame every evil that cuts down their revenue or profit on the user or market anyway. What I'm trying to say is, I do not see big chances in things improving in reasonable time frames. But I can be quite pessimistic at times 😀 I wish we would get numbers and statistics that really carry some weight and are credible... since it's probably low numbers compared to shipped and sold numbers of SKUs (producing them alone means nothing, how many are in use means everything). I can honestly believe that no card besides the 4090 suffers any such fates but how many are they really? 20? 200? 2000? That's what we still have no really reliable data on... All in all, I just see that the hardware manufacturers have a serious credibility problem, since all of their hardware is prone ot one or the other issue. Not like back in the day, when you were worried about your overclocks or mods breaking hardware, these days you are perfectly fine to burn down your PC and do nothing that voids warranty... until they simply deny you the warranty. Customers in the EU are somewhat better protected I believe (within 6 months the company has to prove the customer was responsible for the hardware defect... have fun proving that), but you first have to have an already started RMA process, and second, you're fresh short of any hardware you send off in the meantime...

I like it. It adds an extra layer to PC gaming, not only do we have to care about buying the best parts, optimizing the system and playing games, now we also need to pay attention to our case to make sure our system is not on fire!... 😱 PC master race FTW!... 😡:( BTW, do you guys thing we should have a fire extinguisher near our PC, just in case...

Using a Moddiy cable on my 4090 since november, haven't had any problems so far... never checked the cable , only made sure there is absolutely no visible gap between the cable and connector on the card . same goes for the psu probably.

people will always bend cables. deal with it. you cannot say: use this cable but don't bend it. it's just dumb and an excuse to sell a bloated design. And this is especially true if those cables are applied to huge devices that requires a lot of space and hardly fit in any sane case.

Why do bq still insist on using multi rail.