NVIDIA Would Start Volume Production of RTX 4060 Ti in Q1 2023 / 160W TDP

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AuerX:

Not really, people just buy what they need/want to play games with. Pretty simple really, as nobody is forcing anyone to do anything. What is fascinating tho, is the concern some seem to have about how others spend their money.
How others spend their money, ultimately affects all of us. The more some people are willing to pay, the more the rest of us will have to pay. NVidia is almost single handedly working to destroy the pc gaming industry by pricing the majority of it.
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sykozis:

How others spend their money, ultimately affects all of us. The more some people are willing to pay, the more the rest of us will have to pay. NVidia is almost single handedly working to destroy the pc gaming industry by pricing the majority of it.
weird how Steam keep growing bigger and bigger when AMD fans keep saying Nvidia is killing PC gaming LMAO. Steam Reaches Huge New All-Time Player Records
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Undying:

So lets say 4070 will cost 599$ msrp and with tax so you can have it at around 800$. It will look nice on the shelfs next to the 4070ti and 4080. 😀
No sales tax where I live but I would hate to live in a country that charges $200 tax on a $600 product.
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sykozis:

NVidia is almost single handedly working to destroy the pc gaming industry by pricing the majority of it.
someone didn't see amd's 7000-series pricing (1000eur for a 6800xt succcessor), availability (not enough units to even replace their few faulty 7900xtx batches) their overall dgpu sales (-90% down YtY), and dgpu market share (under 10%). nvidia released the most anti-progress gpu series in history by pricing rtx40 the way they did, and amd gladly aligned their prices to match it.
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cucaulay malkin:

someone didn't see amd's 7000-series pricing (1000eur for a 6800xt succcessor), availability (not enough units to even replace their few faulty 7900xtx batches) their overall dgpu sales (-90% down YtY), and dgpu market share (under 10%). nvidia released the most anti-progress gpu series in history by pricing rtx40 the way they did, and amd gladly aligned their prices to match it.
Honestly with all the R&D and cost that would have went into the RTX series starting with the 2xxx cards, Amd had a chance to seriously undercut Nv for market share but they stuck with being only slightly cheaper. There's no backlash though only courtesy claps so they'll continue to do it. Look how many complained about the 4080 price then went out to buy a xfx 7900xtx merc that costs just as much. Buy what you want, just don't be a preaching hypocrite.
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Spets:

Honestly with all the R&D and cost that would have went into the RTX series starting with the 2xxx cards, Amd had a chance to seriously undercut Nv for market share but they stuck with being only slightly cheaper. There's no backlash though only courtesy claps so they'll continue to do it. Look how many complained about the 4080 price then went out to buy a xfx 7900xtx merc that costs just as much. Buy what you want, just don't be a preaching hypocrite.
I don't feel ashamed buying a 4070 Ti. I badly needed a upgrade for my 1070, and i'm not someone who buys second hand, AMD isn't and option either due to lack of Nvidia Inspector features. The prices are shit since the 2000 series here in the Netherlands, there is no point waiting another 5 years. A 3080 still goes for €950 here, and i got the 4070 Ti for €1020. Yes, it IS a lot for a that kind of class. But it simply is what it is and Nvidia and AMD ain't gonna budge if we don't buy. Motherboard prices have nearly doubled as well.
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sykozis:

How others spend their money, ultimately affects all of us. The more some people are willing to pay, the more the rest of us will have to pay. NVidia is almost single handedly working to destroy the pc gaming industry by pricing the majority of it.
You don't have to pay anything.
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Krizby:

weird how Steam keep growing bigger and bigger when AMD fans keep saying Nvidia is killing PC gaming LMAO. Steam Reaches Huge New All-Time Player Records
I see reading comprehension still isn't your strong suit.....also, I currently own just as much Intel and NVidia hardware as I do AMD. So, run along now kiddie. Come back when you have something to say that's actually relevant.
cucaulay malkin:

someone didn't see amd's 7000-series pricing
I didn't need to see AMD's pricing. I knew months ago that it was going to be ridiculous. Hell, you can look in most of the Intel Arc threads and figure out exactly what my plans are for my next build...lol Unlike some people on this forum, I don't go into threads that don't interest me just to try to stir up shit. If NVidia releases a 60 series card at a sane price, I'll consider buying it to replace my son's 6650XT. If not, I can easily wait out Battlemage to see how it performs and how Intel prices it. I made it known years ago that my intent was to jump ship to Intel if NVidia and AMD continued to raise prices. Also made it known after Intel released the 12gen Core series that my intention was to switch back to Intel if they could get the bugs and power usage fixed. Aside from laptops, I have zero hardware loyalty.
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Why_Me:

No sales tax where I live but I would hate to live in a country that charges $200 tax on a $600 product.
You have no scalping tax in your country? :P
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He lives in Alaska, where he pays very little taxes (which I believe was done so that people actually move and work there, especially in the beginning). Quite like some provinces in Canada, he pays very little to no tax. But 600 becoming 800 was not just taxes either, it's a streetprice markup as well. I mean, I'd like to see a 33% sales tax... ... oh wait, Austria has those. Paying over 40% of my wage in taxes already, and cars have an extra 33% on top of the usual 20% sales tax here. 😀
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I would ideally like a small, lightweight,single 8-pin card like my 3060Ti. 220W stock and 190W with uv+7% (2040MHz) oc. I hope there's something for me, especially with lovelace efficiency. I might even skip a cpu upgrade with a dlss3 card. Don't mind waiting for refresh skus if needed, 3060Ti still kicks ass and dlss2 is getting better and better. If there isn't one I'll skip this gen, unless amd have a surprise with 7700xt but I'm not getting my hopes up after seeing n31 efficiency and no fsr3 preview.
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cucaulay malkin:

someone didn't see amd's 7000-series pricing (1000eur for a 6800xt succcessor), availability (not enough units to even replace their few faulty 7900xtx batches) their overall dgpu sales (-90% down YtY), and dgpu market share (under 10%). nvidia released the most anti-progress gpu series in history by pricing rtx40 the way they did, and amd gladly aligned their prices to match it.
By now with its 10% market share, AMD is just a poodle wagging its tail next to the tyrannosaurus that is Nvidia. I've already wondered for a good long while why AMD seems to be satisfied with its marginal GPU position and doesn't try to improve it. Following Nvidia's pricing schemes faithfully most certainly isn't doing AMD no favours, especially when AMD time after time fails to release (GPU) products that would make people wow. Sure, the AMD cards aren't bad in traditional raster operations, trading blows with Nvidia frequently, and the RT is getting more competitive, but at the end of the day it's definitely not something anyone would abandon Nvidia for without a second thought. Price is the only route I see for AMD to gain an edge, but AMD prices are following Nvidia trends instead.
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0blivious:

I'm thinking it's the ridiculous pricing. Give us a decent ~$250 card again. Sell us a reasonable ~$350 card again. Meanwhile, a xx50 series goes for over $300 now. It costs nearly the same as my 6 year old GPU ($379) and it's actually slower. It's not salty, there's literally nothing exciting happening in this space that many longtime gamers have been priced out of.
there almost push price of the 1070ti cards in some place and WORSE perormance unless you all you care about it DLSS performance on on par with 1060 series. for bout the same price. Really would love new card but not at price they doing i have little to no hope for cost of 4060 series they will probably 100$ more then last gen. they 4070ti cost double what 1070ti did The 3060ti with gddr6x for 450$ look like bargin at this point, not so much fact there 8gb though, if you can find them
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Kaarme:

By now with its 10% market share, AMD is just a poodle wagging its tail next to the tyrannosaurus that is Nvidia. I've already wondered for a good long while why AMD seems to be satisfied with its marginal GPU position and doesn't try to improve it. Following Nvidia's pricing schemes faithfully most certainly isn't doing AMD no favours, especially when AMD time after time fails to release (GPU) products that would make people wow. Sure, the AMD cards aren't bad in traditional raster operations, trading blows with Nvidia frequently, and the RT is getting more competitive, but at the end of the day it's definitely not something anyone would abandon Nvidia for without a second thought. Price is the only route I see for AMD to gain an edge, but AMD prices are following Nvidia trends instead.
I think AMD is not interested on a price war with Nvidia for two reasons: Nvidia can play that game too and they can bet AMD on it, because they have much more money and because they are wafer limited, meaning that if they start to sell GPUs like crazy, there`s a good chance that they wouldn`t be able to keep up with the demand. So, they are happy to be seen as a more budget offer compared to Nvidia, at least for now.
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fantaskarsef:

He lives in Alaska, where he pays very little taxes (which I believe was done so that people actually move and work there, especially in the beginning). Quite like some provinces in Canada, he pays very little to no tax. But 600 becoming 800 was not just taxes either, it's a streetprice markup as well. I mean, I'd like to see a 33% sales tax... ... oh wait, Austria has those. Paying over 40% of my wage in taxes already, and cars have an extra 33% on top of the usual 20% sales tax here. 😀
I pay no sales tax. Alaska used to have the highest sales tax in the US until oil was discovered here.
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Why_Me:

I pay no sales tax. Alaska used to have the highest sales tax in the US until oil was discovered here.
I actually thought Alaska was uninteresting and more or less uninhabited by mainland US people until they discovered oil... sometime before WW2? I guess I need to catch up on US history... Anyways, congrats on cheap buys!
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I still remember when I first used a 560 Ti years ago. I was very impressed by the perf I was getting for the amount of money they wanted for it. With the 4060 Ti I'll probably be impressed by the lack of performance relative to the amount of money they'll be asking for it...
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I have a feeling the 4060 Ti chip is not going to cost Nvidia a cent more than 3060 Ti, despite the higher price of manufacturing (which, I believe, TSMC is actually making cheaper to encourage waning demand). Due to the more advanced process technology and lower cores, assuming this info is real, it's a smaller chip. It's going to push forward with higher clocks and that placebo DLSS 3.
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Seeing the 4060 Ti is gonna have 8GB it makes me all the happier i didn't wait and went with a 4070 Ti.
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Here comes the $750US Dollars rtx 4070 12gb with a 192 bit memory bus and the $700US Dollars little rtx 4060Ti 8gb with a 64 bit memory bus. Later on comes the $650US Dollars rtx 4060 4gb with a 32 bit memory bus 😀