MSI B450 Teaser Mentions 8-core "and up" CPU Support

#5566275

cryohellinc

2018-07-19 11:02

Zen 2 here I come! https://i.gifer.com/4sFg.gif

#5566277

fantaskarsef

2018-07-19 11:05

hehe putting on your 1000 yard stare, are you? 😀 Yeah, waiting for Zen2 also...

#5566280

DaLoona

2018-07-19 11:13

More then 8 cores and then a simple 4-phase power design on the board http://memesbams.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Funny-no-gif2.gif

#5566283

RzrTrek

2018-07-19 11:18

I would much rather like to see higher clock speeds (or "ipc") at this point.

#5566287

cryohellinc

2018-07-19 11:26

RzrTrek:

I would much rather like to see higher clock speeds (or "ipc") at this point.

It will be at least 4.4ghz capable. Being optimistic - 4.5-4.6 area. 2700x @4.2 already doesn't bottleneck anything, on resolutions above 720p.. By the looks of it, Zen 2 is shaping up to be an absolute monster all-rounder CPU.

#5566318

DiceAir

2018-07-19 13:42

RzrTrek:

I would much rather like to see higher clock speeds (or "ipc") at this point.

I fully agree. I thnk they have enought cores for now at least and should work on ipc gains rather. imagine a cpu that can beat intel's ipc performance or at least get super super close

#5566353

D3M1G0D

2018-07-19 15:33

As the article states, it's most likely a slip-up, although I wouldn't rule it out completely. After all, it was previously thought that TR wouldn't go above 16 cores, but now 24 and 32 cores are the reality. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Ryzen 7/9 with 12 cores in the next couple of years.

#5566355

Fox2232

2018-07-19 15:40

D3M1G0D:

As the article states, it's most likely a slip-up, although I wouldn't rule it out completely. After all, it was previously thought that TR wouldn't go above 16 cores, but now 24 and 32 cores are the reality. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised to see a Ryzen 7/9 with 12 cores in the next couple of years.

It is pretty smart design... Main product 8C/16T. Defective units go into 6C/12T and 4C/8T. If there are too many defective chips and no more 6C/12T can be sold, make them into 12C/24T 😀 Only issue is memory subsystem. But maybe infinity fabric can be wired to behave as quad channel even on AM4 with two dies present.

#5566356

waltc3

2018-07-19 15:47

Doesn't MSI advertise "Core Boost" for their x399 TR mboards, too? In that case, it makes perfect sense, I suppose.

#5566359

JamesSneed

2018-07-19 16:07

Just a typo, nothing to see. They likely copy pasted from Threadripper marketing by accident. It's not like that quad phase power would really power a large CPU.

#5566360

wavetrex

2018-07-19 16:13

AMD did 6-core cluster before. Remember Phenom II X6 ? It was based on the exact same core, but they somehow managed to add two more. I see no reason why a Zen 2 CCX could not have 6, or even 8 cores, making single-die 16-core future CPU. Alternatively, having 4 CCX on one die instead of 2... for 16, 12, 8 cores (when 4, 3 or 2 cores work in each CCX)

#5566412

urbancamper

2018-07-19 18:22

Also waiting for Zen 2. Found this board at the Egg. https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B450-AORUS-PRO-WIFI-rev-10#kf Oh ya this is 8 phase. Also an AsRock mini that looks like 6 phase

#5566417

Silva

2018-07-19 18:35

wavetrex:

AMD did 6-core cluster before. Remember Phenom II X6 ? It was based on the exact same core, but they somehow managed to add two more. I see no reason why a Zen 2 CCX could not have 6, or even 8 cores, making single-die 16-core future CPU. Alternatively, having 4 CCX on one die instead of 2... for 16, 12, 8 cores (when 4, 3 or 2 cores work in each CCX)

Zen was made to be a modular design so I very much believe this. If a CCX has 4 cores currently and a Zen processor has 2 CCX, with the benefits of 7nm you could well implement 6 cores per CCX and make a 12C/24T monster. Plus, by the time Zen2 arrives Intel will have 8C CPUs too, so they need to move forward. On a finishing note I don't know about the 4 phase, but if the CPU limits itself it could run (although badly). PS: Imagine TR3 with 6 core CCX: 48C/96T!

#5566426

wavetrex

2018-07-19 19:09

https://www.chiphell.com/thread-1884097-1-1.html Some rumors on Chiphell about Zen2... 16 cores for AM4, 32 cores for TR4, 64 cores for SP3, with ~10% increase in IPC as well. If coupled with a bit of frequency increase as well ... these will be some real freekin' monster CPU's !

#5566452

JamesSneed

2018-07-19 20:35

wavetrex:

https://www.chiphell.com/thread-1884097-1-1.html Some rumors on Chiphell about Zen2... 16 cores for AM4, 32 cores for TR4, 64 cores for SP3, with ~10% increase in IPC as well. If coupled with a bit of frequency increase as well ... these will be some real freekin' monster CPU's !

I'm about 99% sure this rumor is BS. The likelihood of AMD moving to 8-core CCX's for Zen 2 seems pretty low. Not impossible but a lot of work on top of moving to 7nm so doesn't make sense in timelines. Maybee 10% IPC and much higher frequencies but higher core counts seems rather unlikely. I could see them moving to larger CCX's on Zen 3 but not Zen 2.

#5566528

blazngun

2018-07-20 02:35

More cores is nice and all, but until games and mainstream software can utilize 8c/16t, it is meaningless for most of us. Gains elsewhere in chip design would bring more immediate benefit until the software community catches up.

#5566540

EspHack

2018-07-20 04:55

at first I totally dismissed it as a typo, but then again they are shrinking to 12nm, maybe its juuuuust barely enough to fit 2 extra cores per CCX without IGP now? and also intel is about to present their 8 core so AMD surely would want to keep the core count upper hand but even then why claim "8 and up" when it obviously starts from 4 cores ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

#5566549

Crazy Serb

2018-07-20 06:55

urbancamper:

Also waiting for Zen 2. Found this board at the Egg. https://www.gigabyte.com/us/Motherboard/B450-AORUS-PRO-WIFI-rev-10#kf Oh ya this is 8 phase. Also an AsRock mini that looks like 6 phase

I am quite sure it is doubled 4 phase

#5566552

Fox2232

2018-07-20 07:41

JamesSneed:

I'm about 99% sure this rumor is BS. The likelihood of AMD moving to 8-core CCX's for Zen 2 seems pretty low. Not impossible but a lot of work on top of moving to 7nm so doesn't make sense in timelines. Maybee 10% IPC and much higher frequencies but higher core counts seems rather unlikely. I could see them moving to larger CCX's on Zen 3 but not Zen 2.

Redesigning CCX is not impossible, bandwidth may be an issue even with 6 cores, but fixable too. 7nm gives working space... But 1 thing for which I do not see it coming is Business Case. Does AMD need even more cores per socket to be more competitive now? I think they need 10% higher clock and maybe improving on IPC bit to outrun intel's solutions. (Where both of those are coming.) In workstation/server, they can use some energy efficiency. And I think that's what will they focus with 7nm too.

#5566558

HWgeek

2018-07-20 08:02

I also think they are aiming to 8c per ccx but it will be as an answer for Intel's move, for now AMD only needs the IPC bump and clock speeds, so even 8C Ryzen 3700X with turbo clock up-to 4.6Ghz is enough to compete against intel. But if Intel try to make price cuts and release more cores then AMD will Unleash the Up-to 16C Ryzens.. Also I am sure that many Intel users with old 4 cores CPUs up-to 7700K will be happy to upgrade to the new Zen 2.