I think MS should be more worried about Xboxs gaming library than in releasing a more powerfull version of the current Xbox... Good hardware is nice and all but only if it has good software to go with it...

Could not have said it better.....Exactly what I have been wanting them to realize over the years.

If only AMD gave us APU like this... Years and years they have this technology working... People would love it in HTPC as small linux/windows boxes with great performance.

I have always said the same thing myself and I think it has something to do with licensing they have with Sony and Microsoft.

The XBox One and PS4 both use Jaguar based processors. The AM1 processors are also Jaguar based.... Same architecture, just fewer cores.

If I were a console gamer, I would be discouraged by the fact that they keep "refreshing" their consoles every 1 to 2 years. The consumer is getting screwed in this model. 2014 Buy this xbox one for $399 2016 Buy this xbox one S (for the correct performance at 1080p gaming) for $299 2017-2018 Buy this xbox scorpio for $600 (maybe more) for "4k" gaming. I could understand if the one S wasnt in the mix between 14 and the end of 17... But this is crazy. PS4 is in the same boat with the ps4 and ps4 pro.

I'm pretty sure Microsoft stated it has a 6TFLOP GPU in it. EDIT: http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/Project_Scorpio Yeah, they already announced its 6Tflops. 980Ti is 5.6tflops and is more than capable of handling most games at 4K@30 - which is where consoles will be targeting anyway. Couple that with with consoles just having better optimization in general and there should be no need for weird upscaling tech. 2D/Indie/Smaller games with lesser graphics should easily be able to hit 4K@60. So I don't know why people are making it sound like 4K gaming is far fetched for it. Seems perfectly doable.

It's more like having a single target makes it easier to develop on. Developers never manage anything of note with their lower level access on consoles in spite of all the touting it gets. Scorpion should be able to handle games at 4K but, it's not like developers/publishers have learned from their mistakes and constant overreaching. I'd truly be surprised if the majority of games run at 4k@30+ constantly with no dips. I'm sure there will be some decent titles on the system.

6Tflops i doubt will be enough for 4k60, atleast not high/ultra settings, currently the cards that reach 4k60 on all games are the 1080ti/titanxp and they have around 11 tflops each. So either it's more powerful than that or we can expect games at a lower setting to make up for it. Either way i reckon this might cost around £500-£600 though guess we might find out tomorrow On the brightside all xbox games come to pc now anyway so isn't that needed for people who already have a strong system to handle these games

6 Tflops is like 1070 performance. Should be powerful enough for a console.

People are a bunch of negative nancy's and the ones bashing the ps pro probably dont have one or at least most dont - it actually does a really good job with upscaled "fake" 4K. I actually would really laugh at somebody pixel peeping during gameplay siting - it does really well for what it is. Sure its not perfect but it works decent.

The new ATI RX 580 will fit inside of the XBOX SCORPIO. Core Clocked At 1340Mhz and Memory 8GB/s. It's very good choise for 2k 60fps and 4k 30fps at medium settings.

6 Tflops is like 1070 performance. Should be powerful enough for a console.

No sounds like a rx480, maybe at a higher clock speed. It's amd, so it IS going to be that same tech. Looks like it's a rx480 with a OC'D jaguar CPU. aka nothing's changed since the "best pixels" announcement, you could tell it was just that even back then.

If you ask me neither console have the horsepower to run proper 4k with any fidelity worth mentioning, it's not without reason most games is up-scaled because the low fidelity/blur upon blur won't show what 4k can do. In order to provide a native 4k render with that lack of horsepower the detail would have to be sliced so heavy it would look worse than lower res with more details. As for the question if 4k looks different, hell yeah but in order to get fps up to the level where it at least starts to get smooth (for me 60+) barely the 11.5gflops/500gb-sec 1080TI OC's can do it with full details.

Really enjoying the XB1 at the moment due to back compat, so if Scorpio allows me to bring all my XB1 and 360 games with me i am in from day one, i got two xbox ones here ready for trade in to make the deal even sweeter for that Scorpio goodness. lol 63 digital 360 games so far, i am now down to the last 31, then my entire xbox 360 digital library will be on the Xb1, and my physical copies also mounting up on BC support, soon i will be able to retire my old Xbx 360 for good, i will shed a tear.

The XBox One and PS4 both use Jaguar based processors. The AM1 processors are also Jaguar based.... Same architecture, just fewer cores.

I just hope you made this comment as a joke, since AMD never released APU remotely close to console in configuration. But maybe I just woke up into this new reality where APUs have more than 4 CPU cores and more than 8 GCN CUs as standard.

If only AMD gave us APU like this... Years and years they have this technology working...

Current AMD APUs (not Zen ones, obviously) have multiple times faster CPUs, but the GPU part is let down a bit. With what I've seen of Zen (idling at 2.2GHz while using less than half the power of Kaby Lake with double the amount of cores), along with the projected TFlops/consumption for Vega (~275W for 12.5Tflop), I can easily see a 150W APU as a gaming powerhouse. But they really didn't have all the parts yet.

I'm pretty sure Microsoft stated it has a 6TFLOP GPU in it. EDIT: http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/Project_Scorpio Yeah, they already announced its 6Tflops. 980Ti is 5.6tflops and is more than capable of handling most games at 4K@30 - which is where consoles will be targeting anyway. Couple that with with consoles just having better optimization in general and there should be no need for weird upscaling tech. 2D/Indie/Smaller games with lesser graphics should easily be able to hit 4K@60. So I don't know why people are making it sound like 4K gaming is far fetched for it. Seems perfectly doable.

The most curious part is the 12GB memory. I wonder if it's 8GB of GDDR5 + 4GB HBM, or 12GB GDDR5 with a 384bit bus. The first one would be the more exotic and interesting one, especially considering all the buzz around Vega's new memory controller. Sammarbella is right about the console not being "real" 4k, I don't believe it will be in the future either. On the other hand, we have seen a lot of truly great upscaling tech from the PS4 Pro, some of which has already translated to the PC (see the Watch_Dogs 2 port), so I actually see it as a win-win. There is also the point that despite not getting "true" 4k, these techniques both offer much higher actual rendering resolutions, and a much much better end result on a 4k screen, than any simple console/TV upscaler could do. The Scorpio is interesting, because past its launch it will basically be the performance target for Windows AAA ports. My only questions now is if it will include HBM (highly unlikely), or Zen (highly unlikely again). It's also marking the era of consoles with backwards compatibility and the complete transition to an "appstore" philosophy, rather than a hardware-bound philosophy, which will be better for consumers in the end.

Definitely. IMO. It's not huge but very apparent for those that care.

Is it only noticeable on a high resolution monitor?

Is it only noticeable on a high resolution monitor?

Youtube compresion but still you can see the diference https://www.digitalfoundry.net/2016-11-12-battlefield-1-ps4-pro-vs-ps4pc-ultra-comparison-and-analysis

Well that was exciting, basically a Ps4 pro style upgrade with a lot of bells and whistles and some, plus BC seems to also be catered for on the Scorpio, very nice indeed, and i have a 4k tv so i am in day one. Very nice.

Well, 6" is better than 4", but, 12" is the dream.

Specs seem decent. Forza 4K@60FPS with 60% utilization. So much for it not being able to run true 4K... https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C8u0qKzUMAEJkgH.jpg

We essentially moved Direct3D 12," says Goossen. "We built that into the command processor of the GPU and what that means is that, for all the high frequency API invocations that the games do, they'll all natively implemented in the logic of the command processor - and what this means is that our communication from the game to the GPU is super-efficient.

This is the part I found most interesting. I wonder if this is something that is coming to Vega - or if it's specific to the DX12 API in the Xbox. Either way it's pretty cool.

^^The customization on this thing seems amazing, i hope we have that pro patch thing the Ps4 pro get's, cherry on the cake if XB1 games got 4k patches.

This is a very interesting reveal. I wonder if games will be 4k 60 fps since most devs are sony favorable. or will they stay 4k 30fps. It will be interesting to see Destiny 2 on Scorpio vs PS4 pro for instance. Will all devs really support 4k btw, its not happening now , will they then ? So far things are looking awesome. 4k 60 fps with only 60% usage is quite impressive imho.

I think we can safely say that Scorpo is going to be expensive. Nice specs though. Looking forward to seeing games running on it.