RealNC:

If you go Linux and don't like to install a new OS version every year, you'd need to use a rolling release distro like Arch. But if you're a new Linux user and don't know yet what you're doing, it's not gonna work out that well.

Ubuntu offers an LTS build that is supported for 5 years. No reason to install a new version every year.

D3M1G0D:

I've used 10 since day one, and never really understood the backlash against it. People call it spyware because it logs user data, and yet they have no problems with banks logging their financial data. Go figure.

I didn't jump on 10 that soon, but I've been using it for quite a while now and I still dislike it. Caused a ton of problems for the software I used to use at work. From what I hear, from talking to former co-workers, it's still causing problems for them. Every time their laptops update, their software starts crashing because necessary settings seem to get returned to defaults. A friend asked me to come fix them, again....

The stupid part of Win10 is that it's designed for tablets and laptops. NOT for desktop PC. You can't fix it and time won't fix it. It's just retarded design from the ground. It's UI and crapware is aimed for majority of people who have no idea what they want from OS, so M$ giving them cool features to play with to feel good about Win10. People who know what they want and not gaming, switched to Linux long time ago. People who game and want clean/responsive OS are still on Win7. I am getting too old to mess with Win10, trying to fix it, hack it, disable crap and make it response so it fits my needs. Too much time required to make Win10 fit for desktop PC and another update will probably revert the changes that I made, so I have to start to customize it AGAIN. Win10 is just a failure for advanced desktop users. I wish my office PC was Win7. Win10 just makes things complicated and worse than it has to be, and user can't do much about it.

flashmozzg:

They have it. It's called LTSB.

https://www.howtogeek.com/273824/windows-10-without-the-cruft-windows-10-ltsb-explained/ Doesn't seem like a mere consumer can get it hands on it. Again, fail. And M$ just forcing it's crap down consumers throat.

sverek:

https://www.howtogeek.com/273824/windows-10-without-the-cruft-windows-10-ltsb-explained/ Doesn't seem like a mere consumer can get it hands on it. Again, fail. And M$ just forcing it's crap down consumers throat.

Come on, we know how to get windows distributions not by MS do we? 😀

K.S.:

🙄 🙄... Come on folks... Windows 7 came out in 2009 it's 2018 now - need more be said? 2020 is long enough. Some of yall acting like them asking businesses for coin till 2023 is greedy miss the point of that just being smart business. The writing has been on the wall for some time now. The United States Department of Defense has moved over to Windows 10 already. Granted it's 3 years into release but the difference between 10 & previous versions prior such as 7, Vista etc was that much of the structure of 10 came out of 8.1 & 8 - sometimes I wonder how much of that was Marketing instead of an Engineering move from Microsoft.

While I am advocating W10 in general, their 1803 is trash. So many things broken and not fixable by end user. You can't even flash via atiwinflash/atiflash now. GPU scheduler is completely broken and OS does not allocate GPU resources enough to application which is not in focus. (Not noticeable for average gamer, but if you are multitasking... be it HW accelerated media playback, streaming application which uses GPU for composition/effects, it hurts. You have to limit GPU utilization via fps limiter as there is no other way user can allocate resources for GPU.) It really tells something when you run fullscreen window game and 2ndary screen content which needs GPU just refreshes somewhere between 5~60fps on random. Then you click on desktop. This removes focus from game. Game still has same fps, but no more issues with any other application. Click on game and issues are back. Prior 1803, W10 was superior to W7/8.1 in every way. Now, not so much. Should get some new insider build, but MS refused to allow me to re-sign new system into Insider program as I upgraded MB/CPU. So, I can still download since I am Insider member, but new system will simply remain unregistered therefore illegal in 3 months.

sykozis:

Ubuntu offers an LTS build that is supported for 5 years. No reason to install a new version every year.

Which is not 11 years. It's 5. Imagine what people here would say if Windows 7 was EOLed in 2014... And of course only "casuals" use a 5 year old Ubuntu. Power users always install the latest 😛 With Windows, it feels like the opposite is true...

WHAT??? NO MORE Windows 7??? I'll.... I'll.... I will switch to Amiga OS 4.1!!!! (I would love to play around with it if it works on the X86 machine.) Actually I'm very happy with Windows 10 and have been using since the start of the free upgrade. Just finished upgrading all of my PCs to Windows 10 so far. One thing I wish Microsoft would stop moving stuffs within the interface around so much. Make it a pain to support.

austin865a:

Like I said, there is a desktop version. I used it before on a desktop and did not have one problem playing games with it or running apps like VLC. And let's be honest who used the built in app in windows for gaming and multimedia?

On Linux you mostly get "built-in" apps. Installing applications is not something you usually do. Installers aren't popular, like on Windows. You mostly install apps from your distro's repositories. And the apps are ancient. A very old Linux system isn't something you want to run. It's still catching up when it comes to it's desktop. If you want a system that looks like Windows XP, then fine. But otherwise, you want to be on the recent versions. There is a reason why Ubuntu has two releases per year. Linux distros just get outdated very fast.

@austin865a That's from 2014. Windows 7 is from 2009. This is RHEL 6 from 2010: https://www.techotopia.com/images/f/fc/Rhel6_vncviewer_session.jpg Edit: You're right though. I never used it. I do use CentOS though (as a build platform.)

sverek:

M$ better prepare desktop version of Win10 without malware, bloatware and spyware by then to successfully replace Win7.

It's 2018 and there's still people like you posting this nonsense lol that's amazing

sverek:

The stupid part of Win10 is that it's designed for tablets and laptops. NOT for desktop PC.

You either have never actually used windows 10, or think it's windows 8. And i'm sure you'll reply back with "Ofcourse i have used windows 10! i have it installed on such and such computer or etc.! And it's built for tablets and laptops!" But my response will stand, because either you're completely blinded by your bias to think windows 10 isn't desktop oriented just like windows 7, and unlikely windows 8, or you have simply never used it.

Bye bye W7 it was fun for the years i used to run that old OS , now i only use W10 and not looking back. I do use W7 only for benchmarking purposes and that's it.

Will there be a better version of Windows released in 2020?

austin865a:

You never used the desktop version of RHEL have you? RHEL7 is not ancient at all. Heck its about the same age as windows 10. Installing apps from a RPM file is no harder then a installer file. But if you have to have a package manger to hold your hand you can enable the EPEL Repo or RPMfusion. And most distros ship somewhat striped. 9 times out of 10 the end users will have to install something like a media player, photo editor, steam, email app and so on. But yeah, RHEL 7 sure look like XP you got that right. http://landoflinux.com/images/linux_install_rhel_7_rc_20.png

Put that ugly Gnome3 away. Or out of its misery.

K.S.:

If you're a power user here complaining about the UI you can simply learn the nuances of "PC-settings" (modern UI) complemented with Known-Good freeware such as Classic-Shell; it's not that hard. In addition within the apps & features portion you can disable things like Xbox live, Game-mode etc... or set a Group Policy where they apply for things you hate. There are some good scripts out there as well that eliminate all traces of Edge and other built-in apps as well. It takes a matter of minutes - beyond that the reviews are in the performance is negligible - 1803 - defer to it or check the hidden updates KB MS put out for Win 10 download the tool in it - block the update and wait until the next if you hate it so... holy cow people. lol. I use 1803 personally ...

Bad advice, even if people do not like edge, it is too interconnected with other things. removing its binaries and libs will cause problems down the road. For someone who does not mind reinstall in case of troubles, it is OK. but in general, edge, however undesirable it is, has to stay.

K.S.:

cannot believe I am saying this - I couldn't agree more with you Fox'

Gnome3 is likely worst thing ever made on linux, for linux and being still in use.

K.S.:

I can try to find the one I'd been looking at and see if it just kills the executable - reg keys / leaves anything needed that's essential like what are we talking dlls here? (Honestly I can't think of it really causing an issue long as SFC clears it post + IE is tied to what's essential no?) EDIT: Those scripts over at "WinAero" you know?

Looks like they uninstall it fully:

MSFN user Legolash20 has created and released a script to uninstall and remove Edge browser from Windows 10. Our friends at WinAero has further tweaked the script to make it better and easier to use. The script allows you remove Edge in a few seconds. WARNING: And before you jump to the download page, please remember that Edge is part of Windows 10 and uninstalling it might affect the performance and stability of your Windows 10 PC. We recommend you manually create a system restore point before using the script to uninstall Edge.

K.S.:

Yeah... just finished the reading from the msfn thread.. you're right https://msfn.org/board/topic/152688-win6x_registry_tweak/ .cmd beside the wim tweak tool / launch it and let it fly... You got me curious though - what exactly does it pull that should stay ? Why a need for it to cause instability if removed ... what were those necessary libraries you mentioned? My 10 install doesn't have Edge, now I'm wondering if maybe I'm missing critical files / so far haven't had glitches / bugs of notice...

I think that some of libraries are used by some other components. And then some updates may fail. Thing is, one never knows what MS hybridizes there.

With Steam pushing Linux. With graphics drivers who made a big leap forward last year (at least for AMD ; mesa) see Phoronix (guru3D will one day have to think about benchmarking on Linux 😀). With the multiplication of rolling release distributions, some very serious with a company behind (example OpenSuse Tumbleweed, and I guess Ubuntu will do it someday) My installation of Windows 7 is broken, I can not use Windows Update, the only solution advocated by Microsoft is to reinstall Windows 7 or upgrade to Windows 10. I have to make security updates manually. I had to patch my motherboard bios myself for Meltdown and Spectre because my processor is too old (2500K) and Microsoft did not want to propose a microcode update for these processors. In any case, I will not use Windows 10, for sure, even if I have to wait until the last moment. I'm really tired of Microsoft and I used Windows 98, so I was already tired before. I use Linux for 20 years on servers and every year I wanted to switch for my personal computer, I seriously think that by 2020, it will really be possible. Thanks mainly to Valve for that. (sorry for my english)

Autolyse:

With Steam pushing Linux. With graphics drivers who made a big leap forward last year (at least for AMD ; mesa) see Phoronix (guru3D will one day have to think about benchmarking on Linux 😀). With the multiplication of rolling release distributions, some very serious with a company behind (example OpenSuse Tumbleweed, and I guess Ubuntu will do it someday) My installation of Windows 7 is broken, I can not use Windows Update, the only solution advocated by Microsoft is to reinstall Windows 7 or upgrade to Windows 10. I have to make security updates manually. I had to patch my motherboard bios myself for Meltdown and Spectre because my processor is too old (2500K) and Microsoft did not want to propose a microcode update for these processors. In any case, I will not use Windows 10, for sure, even if I have to wait until the last moment. I'm really tired of Microsoft and I used Windows 98, so I was already tired before. I use Linux for 20 years on servers and every year I wanted to switch for my personal computer, I seriously think that by 2020, it will really be possible. Thanks mainly to Valve for that. (sorry for my english)

Have you tried manually updating the Windows Update Agent? once the update agent gets "updated", Windows Update should start functioning again.

Aura89:

It's 2018 and there's still people like you posting this nonsense lol that's amazing You either have never actually used windows 10, or think it's windows 8. And i'm sure you'll reply back with "Ofcourse i have used windows 10! i have it installed on such and such computer or etc.! And it's built for tablets and laptops!" But my response will stand, because either you're completely blinded by your bias to think windows 10 isn't desktop oriented just like windows 7, and unlikely windows 8, or you have simply never used it.

Read my whole post. Been using Win10 for 2 years now on job PC. Its the worst OS I had to deal with. I use both Win7 and Win10 daily. Again, Win10 is just a crap OS designed for tablets. If Win10 is the only OS you used and got numb to its crapware and horrible optimization, I am very sorry for you.