You might not know what evidence means... Since you seem to write on broken English, I'm assuming that it's not your first language: Talking about personal devices is not evidence for anything relevant. Putting a well known and renown device as an example of a successful device with MediaTek is actual and provable evidence (there are tons of reviews praising the quality of those headphones). First you said that audio processing software failed with AMD CPUs, now you say that creators prefer Intel because it's faster than AMD... (Do you even check Guru3D's benchmarks? Check these and these content creator benchmarks!). You say that you are not interested in MediaTek's business modeling, yet here you are trying to convince me that MediaTek is currently only budget unreliable SOC. Good luck with that!

@heffeque You seriously just used gurus 3d personal device benchmark for evidence. I'm not here to type perfect. But you contradict yourself every other sentence so please consider learning how to speak effectively. I want to see no errors because gurus like me crack jokes at fake grammar police. Huehue

k3lt:

Cool, are they still cheating in benchmarks?

Last I heard, they are, and so is Scamdung.

This thread is odd. Mediatek makes pretty decent chipsets for devices now. Their smart tv chipsets are found in a lot of tv's, including high end panels like the A95K, which is an incredible viewing experience. Their own website reports 70% of smart TV's use their chipset, including Philips, Panasonic and Sony? For mobiles, dimension 1000 and 8000 series have AV1 support while so far up to snap 8 gen 1 does not, which is a miss. Pentonic series also supports VVC, again adapting and integrating new codecs going forwards and taking the lead here. As pointed out if same ARM designed licensed, why also would you not get essentially the same performance for less money? Even if you don't like them for whatever reason, surely competition in this space can only be a good thing.

@moo100times "Mediatek makes pretty decent chipsets for devices now" Yes but its not mediatek its ARM it could be anyone because they are just a stop gap company for taiwan. it could be INDIAtek hell it could be moo100times. "Even if you don't like them for whatever reason, surely competition in this space can only be a good thing." The US tech bros sell outs set this up. id rather have a new start up outside of china, for example brazil or india taking a crack at this that is the point of splitting the monopoly. However, what happened was brazil economy collapsed, Britain brexit, trump embargos hauwei, and in comes mediatek to dump its 2022 clone tawain chipset worldwide. which was already a issuse since most of our devices come from this area of china. how are we getting startup companies like Nothing, oneplus, oppo, or fabbers like google tensor, samsung equnox, apple outside of mainland if the tawain control the manufacturing; as well as, targets and controls the domestic worldwide market with a clone chip. Mediatek is based out of tawain and that is why they are networked in to all these name brand companies. According to mediatek most of the market share growth is in regions that had low tech options to begin with not say a market segment like the USA where it is much lower market share vs competing companies. will see in 5 years or so when mediatek either gets turned into tawains hauwei or simply becomes scares due to shortages and we see a new logo clone chipset rise up. all the while retaining its glorias market cap value for as long as tawain wants it on there stock exchange for public trading. Companys need to impress me with there tech before i wont bash them for being e-waste retailers. Also why not let south america and india build a soc with encryption specific to there region so we are not all waiting for patches from south korea git hub repository and our tech overlord data mining everyone for marketing profits. anyway all these data hacks and my steam account get hits from crawler bots from vietnam anuallly thats the problem with china manufacture everything. i still laugh when i see fingerprint scanners wait till that all get set free to whomever is on the "web".

@pimpineasy Struggling to follow the argument at points, but worth pointing out that Oneplus operates out of Shenzhen, and Oppo operates out of Guangdong and Nothing is founded by Carl Pei who used to be at Oneplus. So startup wise, a lot is still China based from your own examples rather than outside China. Not sure how Brazilian economy or Brexit have anything to do with these points either, considering ARM whilst headquartered in Cambridge is owned by Softbank who are Japanese IIRC. Mediatek has long had a presence in many markets, and making products available where Qualcomm was not easily available due to supply or cost. Your definition of a clone chip would apply equally to any Qualcomm chip as they all use licensed ARM designs. TSMC is moving manufacturing to Europe and the USA partly in response to international pressures. However hardware from ASML for the most advanced fabs is not readily available due to high demand. It is also possible a company like Mediatek gets better and more market share because they are putting out better products. Being based in Taiwan I do not see how this automatically brings advantages in relationships with Google, Apple, or Samsung. Samsung particularly has a rather large fab capacity themselves. Until recently, it was more advantageous to be linked with China due to the desire to tap their huge market. If South America and India want to build their own hardware, they are welcome to, but it will not be a quick solution. Taiwan has the most advanced fabs because they prioritised this for many years as a point of industry and more broadly as a mechanism for maintaining sovereignty and survival within an increasingly unstable political landscape Tech data mining is everywhere, and done by everyone. I don't think this is a point that has much to do with Mediatek at all considering they mostly make chipsets Also in response to your edit, Mediatek is 25 years old, so pretty long lasting for what you suggest is a stopgap company

@moo100times im well aware of mediatek since they were competing in the early release of consumer arm chips in the android gingerbread pre tablet boom. however they were relatively unknown to most average consumers except for tech nerds. Exactly how did they come out on top when clearly apple won the tablet market? Exactly how are they now the defacto clone chip? they even get media coverage when before no one talked of them at all. Do we see rockchip here? after brexit and trumps hauwei ban wierd how mediatek is in everyones news feed and cheap knock off devices and some cost saving namebrand devices even in the US market share where only one carrier uses Oneplus. what im getting at is this is pretty anti competitive practice but its fine looking forward to arguing with u for the next 20 quarters of performance charts claiming 5% GAINS. while the qualcomm performs better but u decide you want mediatek in your router and tv. pleb.net might as well buy & sell ARM Branded soc w/ ATI branded gpu. Because the variance between each clone is similar to the variance we would see comparing a #1 i7 13700k vs #2 i713700k on different motherboards platforms or even #1 cpu vs #2 cpu on same motherboard Anyway who's throwing a yatch party so we can hedge and bet against oppo and FTX. DOOMER!! o yeah and throw them crypto bros in prison so i dont gotta pay 3k for a 4090. boomer

@pimpineasy So to summarise your argument, your prejudices combined with a series of conflated, large leaps in logic and randomly throwing in topics of different world events that are not directly related has led to your opinion today. Got it.

moo100times:

@pimpineasy So to summarise your argument, your prejudices combined with a series of conflated, large leaps in logic and randomly throwing in topics of different world events that are not directly related has led to your opinion today. Got it.

It took some time, but yes, definitely that's a very accurate summary.

@moo100times @heffeque world events not related?? you must be naïve biden is talking about occupying taiwain. btw how many mediatek products do you guys own? why do you support a licensing company when you could run a startup in our own country? Why has Occulus picked qualcomm for its devices? why would i want only mediatek Routers and tvs when i can also get chipsets from companys like qualcomm, motorola, brodcomm, intel, samsung, ect. i dont have prejudices u nerds your "investment in mediatek soc with taiwan insider deals and taking over the mid tire low end is actually choking the american free market. But yes please resort to personal attacks to prove mediatek is the gold standard of ARM System on Chip. Also i know both u doomer use apple phones and u just want to the see tears of android peasants Please visit this site to get a update to your windows 7 distro macworld.com https://www.qualcomm.com/products/application/smartphones/snapdragon-8-series-mobile-platforms/snapdragon-8-gen-2-mobile-platform https://www.rock-chips.com/a/en/products/RK35_Series/2022/0926/1660.html here is rockchip literally froze in time https://www.mediatek.com/products/broadband-wifi/mediatek-filogic-880 https://www.qualcomm.com/products/application/wireless-networks/wi-fi-networks/networking-pro-series/qualcomm-networking-pro-1620-platform https://www.broadcom.com/products/wireless/wireless-lan-infrastructure/bcm43740

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