Why aren't these companies make a full performance product? We all know they do prototypes for themself (Qualcomm with Asus for example), but imagine if Mediatek is making limited phones with top notch things, like 240Hz display if they support it (like they mention here), a camera with maximum supported MPx, LPDDR5X with 8533MHz and so on

Cool, are they still cheating in benchmarks?

D1stRU3T0R:

Why aren't these companies make a full performance product? We all know they do prototypes for themself (Qualcomm with Asus for example), but imagine if Mediatek is making limited phones with top notch things, like 240Hz display if they support it (like they mention here), a camera with maximum supported MPx, LPDDR5X with 8533MHz and so on

They are not designing the chipsets they license the arm architecture as well as many other chipsets and piggy back off international fair trade laws an contracts nor do they fab like tsmc. Something some people [trump] thought hawawie was being propped up to funnel money off the new implementation of 5g. personally ive used mediatek there products are just not as good as qualcomm on samsung or tsmc they also not even as good as Samsung fab. have you tried any of there other products they all bad man low quality e-waste within the first year. Basically, qualcomm holds the big contract with apple; the chinese market choose huawei and mediatek is a alternate brand for chinese market. Pretty sure its some seattle tech guys push it on the us market because they have holding on the brand. In the US, id rather have Texas instruments building my alternate chipsets or other US based Corporation that produce quality products and have in house fabs. i even had more fun fiddling with rockchip products but mediatek pushed them out of the mainstream media.

@pimpineasy well since mediatek's SOCs are behind snapdragon ones they are selling em for cheaper and they get implemented to the cheapest devices possible is not that the soc is bad persay (most likely the bottom tier ones are trash though ) is the whole making a phone as cheap as possible to make em ewaste ..... If you get their top soc and implemented it in a good balanced device it will be more than fine really

Venix:

@pimpineasy well since mediatek's SOCs are behind snapdragon ones they are selling em for cheaper and they get implemented to the cheapest devices possible is not that the soc is bad persay (most likely the bottom tier ones are trash though ) is the whole making a phone as cheap as possible to make em ewaste ..... If you get their top soc and implemented it in a good balanced device it will be more than fine really

@Venix Mediatek is a subsidiary chipset for the seattle sell outs to funnel money off the chinese global markets segment and split huawei marketshare. Thats its goal not to be the best but to weaken USA manufacturing and fabrication while proping huawei as the better chipset. When everyone is designing the same chipset off ARM and just ordering pallets from TSMC they choose other companys to be prioritzed with its designs obviously apple quality and qualcomm ATI GPU proved to be the best choices. But now apple is trying to build its in house M1 an Arm will probably stay with Qualcomm that still has ATI graphics, Samsung equinox, and Google Tensor which was introduced to the market with the recent pixel launches. Mediatek will just be the company to split hauwei market share. these are all ARM SOC with TSMC not a mediatek soc not a qualcomm get it? Thats why it wont magically be better then apple they can only use what got licensed to them and qualcomm has much better brand recognition globally an ATI fanboys. This is why some folks supported the 5g hauwei embargos mediatek is trash tier stop gap company made of Seattle sell outs and no way should be a competitor against chinas chosen next gen 5g radio company or be in US Market at all with the fab companies we have here already. I actually think its wack 100 they sell them in the US market in stores when you cant even get the flagship qualcommm devices from brands like miui, oppo, asus, nubia, ect. To me they just fabless e-waste resellers of ARM and Realtek why cant i just buy those. i actually want new products not the same things with a fancy sticker that Seattle ccp sellouts think is the "future". How do you think Mediatek would fare in a free market? Instead of market manipulation it probably would be a flop. Your bio says your from greece youd be better off having a company in greece licences a fabless company and sell ARM SOC to your people and the global market then to accept Mediatek as your low tier bargin soc. Then ill buy it cuz its greek and call it e-waste cuz its a clone but at least you upped your country GDP add jobs and put a greek product on the global trade. good luck with your enturpuner start up. invite me to a yatch party.

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pimpineasy:

Your bio says your from greece youd be better off having a company in greece licences a fabless company and sell ARM SOC to your people and the global market then to accept Mediatek as your low tier bargin soc. Then ill buy it cuz its greek and call it e-waste cuz its a clone but at least you upped your country GDP add jobs and put a greek product on the global trade. good luck with your enturpuner start up. invite me to a yatch party.

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Venix:

@pimpineasy well since mediatek's SOCs are behind snapdragon ones they are selling em for cheaper and they get implemented to the cheapest devices possible is not that the soc is bad persay (most likely the bottom tier ones are trash though ) is the whole making a phone as cheap as possible to make em ewaste ..... If you get their top soc and implemented it in a good balanced device it will be more than fine really

Well... on Snapdragon 8 Plus Gen 1 vs Dimensity 9000 Plus, SD is better on GPU side, but Dimensity is better on CPU side so... not 100% sure how Mediatek is behind SD anymore. The only thing (and a major one for some) going for SD is that it's easier to have alternative OS running on the phone/tablet.

Snapdragon is old but has full GPU instruction set. That is the only reason its any good. Battery life sucks. The heat sucks. Everything else, but graphics, sucks. Dimensity battery life? All day. I personally tested youtube 13 hours straight playback, and still 20 percent battery left. No\little heat. Their GPUs are just as quick, but they are true mobile chips designed from the ground up for mobile. Rn, I dont really see any reason to go with a high end snapdragon phone anymore. It seems pointless. Dimensity is coming up FAST.

heffeque:

Well... on Snapdragon 8 Plus Gen 1 vs Dimensity 9000 Plus, SD is better on GPU side, but Dimensity is better on CPU side so... not 100% sure how Mediatek is behind SD anymore. The only thing (and a major one for some) going for SD is that it's easier to have alternative OS running on the phone/tablet.

TimmyP:

Snapdragon is old but has full GPU instruction set. That is the only reason its any good. Battery life sucks. The heat sucks. Everything else, but graphics, sucks. Dimensity battery life? All day. I personally tested youtube 13 hours straight playback, and still 20 percent battery left. No\little heat. Their GPUs are just as quick, but they are true mobile chips designed from the ground up for mobile. Rn, I dont really see any reason to go with a high end snapdragon phone anymore. It seems pointless. Dimensity is coming up FAST.

ok i am a bit out of the loop on soc's it seems XD my self i have the poco x3 pro 8gb 256 that i snatched on a sale for 205 euros .... and i kinda plan to stick with it till it melts off on my hand !

@heffeque Dude have Spain start a fabless company license arm soc and sell it to your local market and on the global market. The reason we saw such a high performance boost is because this is almost a 20 year soc it gotten to the point that its fine wine. We are on first gen 5g and next gen graphics is requiring Ray tracing which will bump the GPU standard. I personally don't want a mediatek soc there product portfolio was generally low quality cheap e-waste on the flip side Qualcomm products felt much more premium over the last decade and actually pushed the mobile gaming community forward. Guess will see when we have EOL 5g products. Like i said id rather just buy a ARM Soc then bicker about 5% over 10 clone arm socs for the next 20 years and call it innovation. Anyone interested in Mechanics can see that this is a joke imagine everyone used the same motor for 4 cylinder automobile what's the point of competing with urself in engine design we wouldn't have inline vs V for example. Wait till arm artificially reduces it gpu on its chipset design that's just how the quarterly release cycle works mediatek controls nothing about ARM because it a stop gap company to split the hauwei marketshare. It will probably be paying license fees to hauwei 5g radio as well rekt. what are they innovating?

pimpineasy:

The reason we saw such a high performance boost is because this is almost a 20 year soc it gotten to the point that its fine wine. We are on first gen 5g and next gen graphics is requiring Ray tracing which will bump the GPU standard. I personally don't want a mediatek soc there product portfolio was generally low quality cheap e-waste on the flip side Qualcomm products felt much more premium over the last decade and actually pushed the mobile gaming community forward. Guess will see when we have EOL 5g products. Like i said id rather just buy a ARM Soc then bicker about 5% over 10 clone arm socs for the next 20 years and call it innovation.

Could you explain how Mediatek's SOC product portfolio has been low quality cheap e-waste the past couple of years? (genuinely curious, and not talking about some phone manufacturers putting them on garbage phones, I mean the SOCs themselves)

@heffeque how do you think as a citizen of spain you should spend your currency on a licensing company when you could just bring it to your own GDP and license it yourself and compete on the market? you could seriously just copy there website license the tech they are using and compete These chips all get manufactured at the same fab faculties the THEY ALL ARM SOC they just slap a cool logo on it. For some reason you think this is a mediatek soc its not its ARM but yes ive own mediatek phones tablets and wifi dongles pre 5g arm socs the wifi dongle was a nighmare of trash failed connections horrible drivers the phones where all trash compaired to their snapdragon counterparts and suffered many wake lock issuse kernel issuse the tablets sufferend the same kernel issuses like wakelocks and bad power management and had horrible gaming performance compared to qualcomms so i wasted 1k usd on mediatek products and i threw them all away within 30 days. there is hardly any difference soc themself here but we are buying a license contract, a software stack, and a instruction stack. @TimmyP is trying to sell you integrated graphics im recommending the 7900xt get it?

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pimpineasy:

@heffeque how do you think as a citizen of spain you should spend your currency on a licensing company when you could just bring it to your own GDP and license it yourself and compete on the market? you could seriously just copy there website license the tech they are using and compete These chips all get manufactured at the same fab faculties the THEY ALL ARM SOC they just slap a cool logo on it. For some reason you think this is a mediatek soc its not its ARM but yes ive own mediatek phones tablets and wifi dongles pre 5g arm socs the wifi dongle was a nighmare of trash failed connections horrible drivers the phones where all trash compaired to their snapdragon counterparts and suffered many wake lock issuse kernel issuse the tablets sufferend the same kernel issuses like wakelocks and bad power management and had horrible gaming performance compared to qualcomms so i wasted 1k usd on mediatek products and i threw them all away within 30 days. there is hardly any difference soc themself here but we are buying a license contract, a software stack, and a instruction stack. @TimmyP is trying to sell you integrated graphics im recommending the 7900xt get it?

All that text to say that Mediatek just uses ARM (as if Qualcomm and many others didn't), and to say that "my personal experience is that I had old Mediatek devices that were crap" while totally ignoring my question: "how Mediatek's SOC product portfolio has been low quality cheap e-waste the past couple of years? (genuinely curious, and not talking about some phone manufacturers putting them on garbage phones, I mean the SOCs themselves)" Here is a comparison between the Snapdragon 8 Plus Gen 1 and the Dimensity 9000 Plus. Yup, the only difference is that the Dimensity 9000 Plus has more shared cache and a different GPU (so better CPU and worse GPU). The rest is basically the same.

@heffeque Your literally proving my point? Time will tell if all my text made any sense; see you when next gen charts release.

pimpineasy:

@heffeque Your literally proving my point? Time will tell if all my text made any sense; see you when next gen charts release.

You might need some work on your reading and comprehension, especially on the second part... Or maybe you might not know that personal experience is statistically irrelevant... Or maybe you are deliberately ignoring the text that was in parentheses because you still want to be "right" without a proper answer (personal bias is not a proper answer, as I was asking for actual measurable facts)... Who knows. As an example: most laptops manufacturers only use Intel chips for their premium devices, that doesn't mean that today's AMD laptop CPU and APU portfolio is not good. Arguably AMD has better laptop chips (high performance with lower power consumption than Intel) but Intel has the upper hand on consumer "perceived" quality so manufacturers go towards what they think is going to sell better. Somewhat same case with Mediatek currently. Some manufacturers go as far as "hiding" Mediatek chips on premium devices (such as the Sony WH1000XM4, that works great and which has none of the quality and stability issues that you mentioned on your personal experience comment).

@heffeque I can read just fine I think you're struggling with your comprehension because you buy mediatek garbage over Qualcomm. 1% performance numbers are manipulated by the market anyway. The Qualcomm kernel will be more stable almost guaranteed and you get a performance GPU with a more premium kit overall. No way amd is not better than Intel load up any audio processing software and see amd fail. Load up specialized software and it will work best on the Intel. I think you been looking at cenebench fake news benchmarks to long. Here let me help you. "how Mediatek's SOC product portfolio has been low quality cheap e-waste the past couple of years?" Before ARM released the new cortex arch they only license mediatek some garbage arch with a trash gpu. Compare any mid range Qualcomm device vs it's mediatek equivalent. Your comparing there "22 Flagship soc while ignoring there whole product stack. how many phone will get this flagship chip anyway? Probably not many because they are a stop gap company to segment the mid range market and will probably see a name change in a few years. Btw those are headphones? Sony? Even so MTK w.e probably get bad support ”(genuinely curious, and not talking about some phone manufacturers putting them on garbage phones, I mean the SOCs themselves)" If you're comfortable reading this mediatek is licensed ARM SOC all the SOCs are basically the same ARM Arch your argument is weak here and makes no sense.

"your argument is weak here and makes no sense" That's funny because you basically just spewed subjective opinions, while commenting complete lies like audio processing software failing on AMD processors (how old are you? I'm starting to think that you might be in your teens). Also funny that you complain that my ARM argument is weak when basically it was you that used that argument to bash Mediatek, until I showed you that Qualcomm's Snapdragons CPU architecture is almost identical to Mediatek's Dimensity. Now the argument is weak. Well that argument was yours to begin with, not mine! "Btw those are headphones? Sony? Even so MTK w.e probably get bad support" Again, you have no clue. Great job! 😉 FYI: These headphones and others that also use Mediatek have perfectly stable SW, work great and have top notch support. "Your comparing there "22 Flagship soc while ignoring there whole product stack." Well, if you can show me how Dimensity 700, 800, 900, 1000 and 8000 are trash compared to Qualcomm's equivalents... because as far as I've seen, it seems that Mediatek's offers seem to have similar performance while consuming less power, so... Anyway... 🙄

@heffeque U need a update because you just spew 3 big words but the context of your speech is debunked by the fact that your wrong. You completely ignore my evidence but I account for yours. For some reason your outdated patch doesn't know what a fabless licensing company is because it's a ARM soc not a mediatek. Sony headphones argument suck because you are bashing my argument with a subjective argument allowing you to contradict yourself nearly 3 sentences after making said statement. Your outdated patch can't seem to figure out that I'm not that interested in mediatek's business modeling. I'm 34 actually. Ask any creator developing on Intel and AMD over the last 4 decades if Intel offered better software performance than AMD. Better yet go look at any benchmark sites. Buying the Qualcomm gives you a ATI GPU which arm offers Mali. Qualcomm offers a more premium sdk took kit as well as hardware stack an more compatibility available to an in the consumer sector.