nevcairiel:

The slide says "Radeon VII + Navi", which seems to indicate to me that Radeon VII is not going to be replaced - which in conclusion means that Navi is going to be slower.

Netherwind:

The wait is getting bothersome -.- I still hope for a July CPU release though.

ttnuagmada:

"Poor Turing"

nizzen:

July is bad for overclocking in EU, so they are delaying it to late september 😉

FrostNixon:

Q3 for Ryzen, me no like. No idea why I had expectations that it could arrive by the end of Q2 right after Computex...

ttnuagmada:

Both of these slides are from this year; 2 things. They clearly go out of their way to designate their next GPU to be their "next gen" architecture, and they also specifically indicate that we won't see any real efficiency gains until that architecture. It's not in quotes either, so "next gen" is not the name.Efficiency gains are what AMD needs to be able to do much of anything at all at this point, and they indicate we shouldn't really expect much in that department.. They are literally TDP limited to 1080 Ti performance on a smaller node at this point. Navi definitely won't be that fast. I can't find the slide, but there has been one floating around for a couple of years that has Polaris/Vega/Navi listed before "Next Gen". Common sense would tell you that Navi is still clearly GCN. There is also this: https://www.pcgamesn.com/amd/navi-linux-confirms-gcn-design edit: One thing I will say though, which is entirely possible, is that Navi will actually be as big as Vega. I don't find this to be very likely given how expensive early 7nm is, but it's possible I suppose, and it would line up with rumors (save for the TDP). https://hothardware.com/ContentImages/NewsItem/47155/content/AMD-GPU-roadmap.jpg https://images.anandtech.com/doci/14286/gpuroadmap_575px.png

ttnuagmada:

Hmm, I wonder what they mean by "all new GPU architecture". Everything they've shown until now has indicated Navi was just going to be another GCN iteration.

nevcairiel:

It may be ground breaking, but possibly not quite as useful. There is only so much hardware every core has, and while a second thread can make use of scheduling deficits to use idle hardware quite well, there are extremely strong diminishing returns from adding more threads to individual cores - nevermind software limitations in even keeping more threads busy. In a consumer line, like Ryzen, I really don't see the added value for more SMT threads.

EL1TE:

Been waiting for something to replace my GTX1080 but NVIDIA is too expensive, and from what i've been reading even top Navi isn't that good either, sigh. Guess i'll have to wait for Intel GPUs so that NVIDIA starts putting fair prices and better hardware (7nm RTX hopefully).

mohiuddin:

Plz be realistic. A radeon vii performs at rtx2080 level. It's been clearly indicated before that navi would be their mainstream gpus. Overhype is a bad thing, people get unnecessarily disappointed.

fantaskarsef:

Please AMD: give us benchmarks so we know if we want it. And then, bring stuff to stores in abundant numbers, and you'll make a crapload of money.

waltc3:

"Top Navi" hasn't been shipped, so you might want to avoid reading 100% speculation on unreleased products...;) Such "information" isn't accurate or reliable, as a rule.

BReal85:

Have you seen this? Yes, they are rumours, but the top 2 models will have Radeon VII and Radeon VII +10% performance. The latter means it will be on par with/maybe a tiny bit faster than the RTX2080 and cost $300 less. We will see what we get, but if it's significantly cheaper than its NV counterpart (meaning any performance tiers) is, its a win-win situation. At the moment, we don't need faster GPUs, we need CHEAPER GPUs. $330 for an RTX2070 performance card? Bixxx please, give me that..

sverek:

My internal vodka doesn't get it.

cryohellinc:

If in the end Navi lands in around the area of 2080 performance wise, and for a lesser price, that will be a successful product.

kings:

Exactly. AMD has already said that Radeon VII would be the top of the line for 2019, so I don´t know why some people continue to delude themselves. Feed these illusions, only serves to disappoint in the future!