Intel Core i9-12900K, i7-12700K and i5-12600K Alder Lake-S Desktop Proc Specs leak
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ruthan
228W - I would be shipped with that infamous cooling unit..
mackintosh
Much too early for me to upgrade, but I won't deny watching this upcoming generation with much excitement.
SesioNLive
Uhhh 230 Watts... Meaning for all the overclockers this will be hell to keep it cool, like every cooling solution but real custom water cooling will have trouble handling this properly unless one doesn't mind 80-90C.
I wonder how this will go vs ZEN 4, rumors say that ZEN 4 is at least what ZEN 3 was to ZEN 2, so 20% better IPC.
Neo Cyrus
Great, now you'll need to overclock the normal cores and garbage cores separately. Intel obviously want to streamline their mobile and desktop processors so they're forcing their trash onto desktop users where it's far from ideal.
Good thing I'll never buy from Intel again so long as any reasonable alternative exists, and it's looking like AMD will stay competitive for a while to come.
JOHN30011887
Defo not buying that, they greatly need to sort that daft high power usage, for now i'll keep my 8700k till they make something worth while to upgrade to since i will need a new motherboard and prob ddr5 ram when the time comes
Loobyluggs
Their chips need a redesign.
We need 'Sandybeachballicescreamskeetsurfingbridge' or something like it.
New thinking. Fresh ideas. intel have become stale, old and unwilling to change. It will be their undoing.
SesioNLive
Why not consider buying the "winner" of the cpu war? Why wait on "intel" to try sort themselves out?
Pretty sure that ZEN4 will kick ass for AMD again.
Undying
Holy crap that 170W zen4 chips does not looks so bad now.
Ricepudding
I sorta get these in laptops where you want a smaller chip to suck on power, but on a desktop this just sounds messy... rather just have full power on all the cores available to me.
nosirrahx
I'm not buying any DDR5 system until DDR5 is a year or two old. Its going to be worse than top of the line DDR4 at first but should get pretty amazing in a year or two.
JOHN30011887
Cause atm even amd isnt a good enough upgrade from what iv got and who said i didn't consider, and as i said id be upgrading motherboard etc as well so if intel or amd have something worth while i will choose that.
I dont care who i choose, amd or intel, i aint a fan boy, this is an intel specs leak in this topic, i said id wait for intel cause when they show there 7nm i will see how good they are, if not good then i will debate whats worth it
and fyi saying winner, or loser and cpu war etc is childish to me, why the public feel to constantly make things a battle is beyond me, it wasn't long ago amd was struggling with there fx cpu's and intel were on top, now tables turn and people jump on a hate train, common sense tells you that you need competition otherwise whoever is on top will jack prices up like crazy
tunejunky
a garden variety 360mm aio would have a hard time with 230 watts and an air cooler would be the size of Siberia.
but it's good seeing Intel finally get their 10nm shit together.
but i'm left with the sensation of Intel playing catch up. Big.little. from ARM, core upgrades from AMD all the while sticking to outdated production node and heavy handed uArch.
this is good news overall, but color me unimpressed re: pc market.
this will definitely help the overall demand for products at 10nm, especially automotive, but for pcs and servers it's just marking time until Intel can legitimately use TSMC tech at their foundries.
the worst part is this is a laptop (essentially) cpu that will result in heavier laptops with shorter battery charges or desktops where the minimum psu is 1000 watts if you have a new generation enthusiast gpu.
a 5950x, 5900x, and 5800x will mop the floor with these and save your power bill while doing so.
but we all know there'll be some esports teams gifted with rigs using these and they'll work to spread the Intel myth. and i'm saying that as a true former fanboy for Intel until they lost their way.
TLD LARS
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A 11900k and 10900k is the same power usage as this looks to be, so same same really.
Some have tamed beasts like a i9-10980XE, i9-9980XE and i9-7980XE, only the i9-7980XE was really untamable out of the box without deliding.
tunejunky
what strikes me is the trend in pcs has been ITX for the last several years.
the only ITX case that can dissipate (with wc) 230 watts (plus gpu) isn't SFF, it's the Phanteks Eclipse p 200 IF you're using a 280 + 240mm rad
no SFF air cooled case need apply, only the biggest air coolers can deal with that 230 watts
Neo Cyrus
I see a problem; even PL1 is 125W for only 8 real cores. Aren't the trash mobile pseudo cores only sipping tiny amounts of power? That efficiency only gets worse with lower binned models, the ones most people will have, dropping down to the same TDP for only 6 cores. Sounds like AMD is more efficient, as usual.
Not to mention I don't want garbage tier mobile cores on a desktop chip, on an OS that's notorious for never making proper use of resources even with optimized profiles and endless promises of optimization... on top of game devs seemingly going out of their way to make sure the games don't make proper use of your cores. I wouldn't be surprised if the worthless AVX512 parts of the real cores take up more space than all of the garbage cores combined. I expect to see a 12 core Raphael chip curb stomp Intel's "sIxTeEn CoRe" 12900K.
And for what it's worth AMD and Intel TDP measurements are not comparable.
Off topic, but does a single person here, aside from myself, use a single program that makes use of AVX512? Will anyone in the next half a decade? I can only think of a only a single program that uses it, and it doesn't even need it, at all, it runs perfectly on my 3900X without it. And that's a very niche program; RPCS3, an emulator.
Raider0001
AMD is working on 5nm... soo buy them only if u want more than 3% gain every year
SesioNLive
Interesting that you do not consider a 5900x or 5950x a good enough upgrade. Like over double the core count and better single core performance too.
We are talking here up to 200% more performance in some tests. And in games surely up to 40-50 FPS, if not more.
TieSKey
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My prediction is this will be a mess, a real shit show for Intel.
Deciding which piece of software gets what type of core for how long is extremely difficult in a desktop environment. I even dare to say it's probably not even possible at all to have a "1 size fit alls" configuration.
And knowing how badly MS optimizes, how reluctant they are to offer end users any sort of configuration/control.... this train is bound to crash.....
metagamer
how about 140W+ on Zen3 out the box? TDP is pretty much just a marketing tool these days, CPUs will do whatever they want.
mackintosh
@TieSKey Let's not be overly dramatic. Microsoft has as much riding on this as Intel. I'm sure they have been working on optimising the hell out of W11 for this release. Probably one of the reasons we're getting W11 to begin with.
