Intel CEO confirms 7nm CPUs in 2021

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Fast check in google Bobert Swan is -> Robert Swan CEO of intel or Bob Swan, Bobert is wrong fix it 🙂
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alanm:

By 2021, everybody will be on AMD.
AMD will be lucky if they can break the 20% market share by then...
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@Margaluss There is abig difference between market share and market share. They might only have 20, but they already have 50% on the byo market (at least for Europe)..
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LOL!!! By 2021 AMD will bring "Zen5" 5nm+ 16C/32T at a price of a Intel 7nm 10C/20T... 50% better performance at multitasking and same performance on major games AND 30% more cheap. But ok.. I am a Gamer and need 5FPS more in one or two titles... then i will pay much more for a very less general performance... Intel Gamers = ....... 2019 PC Market Share = 87% Intel / 13% AMD - 2021 PC Market Share = Intel = 67% / AMD = 33%.. great job Intel! Still like this!
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fry178:

@Margaluss There is abig difference between market share and market share. They might only have 20, but they already have 50% on the byo market (at least for Europe)..
What is this "byo" market?
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Margalus:

What is this "byo" market?
I'm guessing it's "build your own" or DIY. Retailers like Mindfactory.de show that AMD is outselling Intel right now.
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D3M1G0D:

I'm guessing it's "build your own" or DIY. Retailers like Mindfactory.de show that AMD is outselling Intel right now.
Thanks, "Build your own" sounds logical. But what that seems to indicate if true, is that nobody in Europe builds their own since worldwide AMD only has 16-18% market share currently.
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2021 yeah right. When AMD is on Zen 3 and 5nm EUV process.
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schmidtbag:

The problem with transistors as small as 7nm/10nm FF is you start to reach the limits of physics for silicon transistor
Well, '14 nm', '10 nm' and '7 nm' are just marketing names which are not related to any physical measurement of the produced gates.
Denial:

Intel's 10nm was supposed to launch back in 2016 - it was extremely aggressive - keep in mind that it's 10nm is roughly equivalent to the 7nm that TSMC is shipping currently.
Denial:

They aren't behind - they are roughly the same
Exactly. Industry analysts have long been assuming that Intel's '10 nm' process is actually closer to their competiors '7 nm' (and likewise Intel's '14 nm' was closer to competitor's '10 nm' and '16/12 nm') if you compare the actual gate/fin pitch, width and area. It's also not the first time Intel publicly admitted their goals were too 'agressive', and how they learned to not allow their engineers push for so many process advancements all at the same time. So yes, they are basically skipping their 10 nm process, which will be available in very limited number of products, and are holding on refined 14nm for mass production through 2019-2020, at the same time preparing their scaled-down '7 nm' for mass production in 2021.
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Margalus:

Thanks, "Build your own" sounds logical. But what that seems to indicate if true, is that nobody in Europe builds their own since worldwide AMD only has 16-18% market share currently.
Yes, most people do not build their own computers; most buy prebuilt systems or laptops, where Intel still dominates. It's only among enthusiasts where Ryzen is showing strong sales. It will likely take some time before major OEMs incorporate more Ryzen systems into their lineup. Despite AMD's recent successes, Intel remains the "premium" brand in most people's minds.
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Hope they will stay below 90C. Only good stuff about intel in the last few years was ipc. Now I dont have any interest at all on this cpu's.
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D3M1G0D:

Yes, most people do not build their own computers; most buy prebuilt systems or laptops, where Intel still dominates. It's only among enthusiasts where Ryzen is showing strong sales. It will likely take some time before major OEMs incorporate more Ryzen systems into their lineup. Despite AMD's recent successes, Intel remains the "premium" brand in most people's minds.
It's "premium" in servers world, not for consumers any more. I don't think your average Joe care about CPU at all. Some people who grew and used to have Intel sticker on their laptop, might care though. Gamers might prefer Intel, since Intel is calling itself as a king for gaming PC, it's not about benchmark numbers, but ads and promotion.
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I look forward to Intel's 14nm+++++ & 1/2+ CPUs in 2022. Hopefully they'll only be 1 year late. What I'm actually looking forward to is seeing if they'll have any viable GPU offerings in 2020-2021.
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My 3930K is still rock solid!
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Competition is always good. Bring it on Intel, and AMD don't sleep on your success. Being tied to your own fab and process node rather slows down, but offers stability. Like being married, if you will. AMD is now the Don Juan, picked the best chick in town, Intel is faithful husband.
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schmidtbag:

Eh... I don't know if that's the right comparison. The problem with transistors as small as 7nm/10nm FF is you start to reach the limits of physics for silicon transistors. As I've said in another thread, I'm sure Intel has had 10nm working for a while, but because of stuff like quantum tunneling, I'm sure they can't achieve the high frequencies that they could get at 14nm. Contrary to what most people here seem to believe, a die shrink of a few nanometers isn't going to make that big of a performance difference, so, it doesn't make sense for Intel to release a slower product, even if its efficiency and IPC are mildly improved.
I am aware of the quantum tuneling what i was saying is that 10nm delay does not automatically mean delay on 7nm, also i wanted to point out that tsmc's fabs are not yet that much ahead . That said they sure covered a huge gap and took the lead witch is really impressive!
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angelgraves13:

Intel is the big joke of the semiconductor world now. They used to lead the market but now they can’t even keep up. They have no 5 year plan. They have no idea what to do, so they lean to PR. Find a way to spin the news...10nm is coming, but 7nm is almost ready. Let’s face it...they’ll be even more behind next year and the year after that. They may still win in raw gaming, but a few frames here and there won’t really make a difference. AMD will improve Zen with the 3rd generation. I’ve heard rumors of Zen 3 having massive L4 cache and further reductions in memory latency.
If They are a joke to semiconductor industry , then what about AMD's position were all these years? It is more like an end to intel's PITA-to-customers monopoly and a brand-new start of a healthy competitive cpu-era...... i want intel to stay relevant in this industry as much as i want AMD to stretch its arms and legs here.
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fry178:

@Margaluss There is abig difference between market share and market share. They might only have 20, but they already have 50% on the byo market (at least for Europe)..
Cherry picking markets is absolutely meaningless. If thats all that mattered, you should have said how AMD now has the majority market share in Korea and Japan. Too bad it doesn't work that way. And fyi, that claim of AMD beating Intel in europe is based on sales data from ONE specific retailer who after taking a look at their website, goes out of their way to push AMD chips. Zero mention of anything Intel until you finally get to the list of cpus and they're buried at the bottom. Again, cherry picked and meaningless.
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angelgraves13:

Intel is the big joke of the semiconductor world now. They used to lead the market but now they can’t even keep up. They have no 5 year plan. They have no idea what to do, so they lean to PR. Find a way to spin the news...10nm is coming, but 7nm is almost ready. Let’s face it...they’ll be even more behind next year and the year after that. They may still win in raw gaming, but a few frames here and there won’t really make a difference. AMD will improve Zen with the 3rd generation. I’ve heard rumors of Zen 3 having massive L4 cache and further reductions in memory latency.
It's posts like this that make me wonder about the mental stability of AMD fanboys. A bunch of inaccurate BS followed by loads of wishful thinking. First... Intel still leads the market. By a HUGE margin. Desktop market share is 77% regardless of the fake news stories who cherry pick data from AMD centric European retailers. What is even more hilarious is the fake news that was being repeated everywhere that AMD had crushed Intel in Data Center sales, tripling their market share.... which turned out to only be 3%. But like obedient sea lions, all the fanboys sat up and clapped in unison. So take a look here and don't get too upset once it sinks in that everything you just said is horsesh*t. It must be quite embaressing. https://www.statista.com/statistics/735904/worldwide-x86-intel-amd-market-share/
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Andrew LB:

It's posts like this that make me wonder about the mental stability of AMD fanboys. A bunch of inaccurate BS followed by loads of wishful thinking. First... Intel still leads the market. By a HUGE margin. Desktop market share is 77% regardless of the fake news stories who cherry pick data from AMD centric European retailers. What is even more hilarious is the fake news that was being repeated everywhere that AMD had crushed Intel in Data Center sales, tripling their market share.... which turned out to only be 3%. But like obedient sea lions, all the fanboys sat up and clapped in unison. So take a look here and don't get too upset once it sinks in that everything you just said is horsesh*t. It must be quite embaressing. https://www.statista.com/statistics/735904/worldwide-x86-intel-amd-market-share/
Translator’s note: “Fake news” means “I don’t agree with you, stfu”

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