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lol, and if we'd listen to them we would still have quad cores as top cpus. and where are those oh so better processor's, mr. intel? right...

Considering how many delays they had with 10nm, there is very little Intel can say to convince me that they're going to achieve this goal.

While i am also sceptical about the7 nm from intel , the difficulties on 10nm do not translate to 7 nm since the new techniques to get around problems applt on 7nm also , kind of likre how the industry was stuck to 28nm for a while and then moved to 20nm finfet (renamed 16&14nm) and now 7nm (10nm finfet) and the 5nm(7nm finfet) is on track.

There's a typo in the article - 2021 should be 2120 :P

Regardless, if they do pull through, I can imagine it being pretty impressive. I think I might be alone on this though reading the comments.

theoneofgod:

Regardless, if they do pull through, I can imagine it being pretty impressive. I think I might be alone on this though reading the comments.

You're not - bashing on Intel is just the kool-kid thing to do these days.

Venix:

While i am also sceptical about the7 nm from intel , the difficulties on 10nm do not translate to 7 nm since the new techniques to get around problems applt on 7nm also , kind of likre how the industry was stuck to 28nm for a while and then moved to 20nm finfet (renamed 16&14nm) and now 7nm (10nm finfet) and the 5nm(7nm finfet) is on track.

Eh... I don't know if that's the right comparison. The problem with transistors as small as 7nm/10nm FF is you start to reach the limits of physics for silicon transistors. As I've said in another thread, I'm sure Intel has had 10nm working for a while, but because of stuff like quantum tunneling, I'm sure they can't achieve the high frequencies that they could get at 14nm. Contrary to what most people here seem to believe, a die shrink of a few nanometers isn't going to make that big of a performance difference, so, it doesn't make sense for Intel to release a slower product, even if its efficiency and IPC are mildly improved.

I think i am gonna start supporting intel after 2020 , coz i just want to support the underdog in the market. 😛

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rm082e:

You're not - bashing on Intel is just the kool-kid thing to do these days.

Seems so. I am planning on a new build and stuck right inbetween both. 9900K just dropped in price, X570 motherboards are too expensive here. I might hold off until next gen but the urge is strong to do it now.

I'd be surprised to see mass production of 10nm by 2021, let alone 7nm...

the financial director is now the ceo?

If they use AMD GLUE they might be able to produce good 10nm and 7nm CPUes. As I understand the current available 10nm are with disabled IGPU, so if they glued on a 14nm IGPU and bin working 10nm cores together, it could help there yields a lot, but only time will tell.

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

Intel CEO Bobert Swan announced on the Intel 2019 Investors Day that their 7nm CPUs will appear 2021. He also talked a bit about the actual delay.... Intel CEO confirms 7nm CPUs in 2021

By 2021, everybody will be on AMD.

Pretty big admission as no doubt AMD will be doing 5nm by then, at least. Well, at least Intel is trying to be honest as to how many process nodes they are behind.

And i am Elvis Presley

alanm:

By 2021, everybody will be on AMD.

I hope not, either Intel or AMD ruling alone will mean bad things for us, i do hope AMD takes a good chunk of the market, ideally i would love to see 50/50.

theoneofgod:

Seems so. I am planning on a new build and stuck right inbetween both. 9900K just dropped in price, X570 motherboards are too expensive here. I might hold off until next gen but the urge is strong to do it now.

I'm in a similar situation. I've got a 3570k, which is way behind in newer games, but I've got a huge backlog of great games that run fine on it. Even if I had much more time to play games than I do, it would take me a couple years of playing to get through everything I have right now. I usually wait for deep sales to pick up games these days, so by the time I'm ready to play 2019 games, the CPU market will likely have shifted again. I'm glad to see AMD is bringing some competition back, but Intel isn't going to wave a white flag anytime soon. AMD is dragging them kicking and screaming, but they're not going to get behind the way AMD did in the recent past. While fanboys might enjoy haggling over the specifics of the tech, price and performance are all that really matter.

schmidtbag:

Eh... I don't know if that's the right comparison. The problem with transistors as small as 7nm/10nm FF is you start to reach the limits of physics for silicon transistors. As I've said in another thread, I'm sure Intel has had 10nm working for a while, but because of stuff like quantum tunneling, I'm sure they can't achieve the high frequencies that they could get at 14nm. Contrary to what most people here seem to believe, a die shrink of a few nanometers isn't going to make that big of a performance difference, so, it doesn't make sense for Intel to release a slower product, even if its efficiency and IPC are mildly improved.

It's definitely a combination of issues. Intel's 10nm was supposed to launch back in 2016 - it was extremely aggressive - keep in mind that it's 10nm is roughly equivalent to the 7nm that TSMC is shipping currently. The problem is that between 2014-15 when Intel was developing 10nm and now, a bunch of new techniques have been developed in order to make that shrink easier, notably SAQP at that size - but Intel had already invested so much into their technology and their engineers were basically saying "don't worry it's right around the corner". The problem is they kept saying that year after year. Intel's solution was to go back and reconfigure it's 10nm process with some of the newer stuff and that's what allowed them to ship 10nm products in 2018 - but like you said, they can't seem to get the switching performance out of their architecture on 10nm and thus they never really shipped anything on it except for a few mobile parts - where the power consumption does matter.

waltc3:

Pretty big admission as no doubt AMD will be doing 5nm by then, at least. Well, at least Intel is trying to be honest as to how many process nodes they are behind.

They aren't behind - they are roughly the same with Intel having an advantage in some characteristics and TSMC in others. I don't think this will change with Intel's 7nm vs TSMC's 5nm. The bigger takeaway is that Intel completely lost it's process advantage. For year it was a major component to Intel's success and now it's almost an anchor for them. AMD is able to freely shop around it's fabrication to whoever can deliver the best process but Intel is stuck with what it's team can come up with.