D3M1G0D:

I care about performance, which is why I go with AMD. My CPU is always at full load on all cores so strong multicore performance is my standard. That's because Intel TDPs are wildly misleading - you can have a CPU rated for 95W but actually does 140W in practice. AMD's TDP figures are very accurate and rare go over specs. Intel is outright lying with their TDP.

My Ryzen 3900x says 105w TDP but using 148w @ stock.... Just saying... But I don't care, because I have custom watercooling.

bernek:

There are 3 kinds of computer parts buyers: 1. the ones that constantly say I have to wait for X or Y generation and see improvements and eventually end up with some overpriced crap 2. the ones that actually buy what they can afford using the best performance per price ratio and end up with current gen mainstream 3. the ones that buy best of the best and never look back

Amen I know which I am

D3M1G0D:

That's because Intel TDPs are wildly misleading - you can have a CPU rated for 95W but actually does 140W in practice. AMD's TDP figures are very accurate and rare go over specs. Intel is outright lying with their TDP.

This is not true. This is ONLY true on unlocked K CPUs set on "manual" in BIOS. On non K CPUs, as soon as they reach wattage that Intel claims, they start to downclock to keep the wattage. However, the opposite is true for AMD, they don't even try to care for TDP, they just spit some numbers out and leave it at that. Not that I care for any of this, but there you go.

When I was using a 4c/4t Intel i5 760 back in early 2011, I told myself my next cpu would likely be a 6c/12t from Intel in the $150-200 range. I had no idea it would take them nearly 10 fucking years to finally have that. Sorry Intel you had your shot and blew it.

jwb1:

Intel is giving you more cores for the same price as last time in the high end, discounts in the others, and improving overclocking and thermals. And the cheaper CPUs are getting Hyperthreading. All things people were critical of, but yup it is never good enough for the AMD fanboys. If you want the best gaming CPU and have fun overclocking, Intel. If you want to save your pennies and get more mainstream cores that you probably won't use outside Cinebench, go AMD. Zen3 this year could be interesting, but only if they are able to finally reach Intel in gaming or surpass them. And actually make their CPUs fun to play with in overclocking.

I don't think this is entirely accurate except for limited use cases. Intel is the best CPU for gaming at 1080p 144Hz and up, no doubt. If you're 1440p and up, your money saved with AMD is better spent on a higher end GPU as you'll get more performance for the same or less money spent. AMD doesn't just make 12 and 16 core parts. The 8 and below are useful for things other than Cinebench, or we would all still be rocking quad cores. You really have to consider use cases and not over generalize, or you'll end up wasting money without realizing it. I think this lineup from Intel is going to sell well and they'll be excellent processors, but I shudder when I see people building with a top end Intel proc rocking a mid or budget GPU. Their money could have been spent so much better. Not saying that's you of course. What kind of monitor are you running with your setup? Guessing 1080p 240Hz?

gx-x:

This is not true. This is ONLY true on unlocked K CPUs set on "manual" in BIOS. On non K CPUs, as soon as they reach wattage that Intel claims, they start to downclock to keep the wattage. However, the opposite is true for AMD, they don't even try to care for TDP, they just spit some numbers out and leave it at that. Not that I care for any of this, but there you go.

It used to be true for K CPUs as well - my 4790K never exceeds the rated TDP at stock. It's only in recent times that they've veered off wildly, probably due to competition.

NCC1701D:

I don't think this is entirely accurate except for limited use cases. Intel is the best CPU for gaming at 1080p 144Hz and up, no doubt. If you're 1440p and up, your money saved with AMD is better spent on a higher end GPU as you'll get more performance for the same or less money spent. AMD doesn't just make 12 and 16 core parts. The 8 and below are useful for things other than Cinebench, or we would all still be rocking quad cores. You really have to consider use cases and not over generalize, or you'll end up wasting money without realizing it. I think this lineup from Intel is going to sell well and they'll be excellent processors, but I shudder when I see people building with a top end Intel proc rocking a mid or budget GPU. Their money could have been spent so much better. Not saying that's you of course. What kind of monitor are you running with your setup? Guessing 1080p 240Hz?

im really never understand about "go with ryzen and spend less money" you need a top ram reaching 3733mhz to give a good performance to him, you need a x470 or x570 motherboard to hit these clocks, in end you will spend more or will have slower performance overall with b450 motherboard and ram at only 3200mhz

jwb1:

Intel is giving you more cores for the same price as last time in the high end, discounts in the others, and improving overclocking and thermals. And the cheaper CPUs are getting Hyperthreading. All things people were critical of, but yup it is never good enough for the AMD fanboys.

It's still too expensive, and still the same recycled architecture from 5 years ago. Thanks to the security vulnerabilities, HT is practically worthless. You're lucky to get a 15% improvement from it at this point.

If you want the best gaming CPU and have fun overclocking, Intel.

I'd rather save money on a cheaper CPU that can work with a cheaper PSU and cheaper cooling solution, than to gain another 10FPS at a frame rate my display can't even handle anyway. With today's CPUs, claiming Intel is better for gaming is a lot like comparing a Mustang to a Ferrari. Yeah, the Ferrari is faster, but unless you take your car out on the track (which you probably won't), does it really matter? With day-to-day driving, the Mustang is still fun.

Glottiz:

AMD blind fanboyism and hypocrisy is reaching new heights. When AMD GPUs have higher TDP than Nvidia, AMD fanboys be like "hey bro it doesn't matter, it only costs like 8 euros more per year to run it, difference is negligible, buy AMD!"

It's not the TDP that matters (not to me anyway) but the fact that all Intel is doing is creating a new socket with higher clocks and calls it a new product. The TDP just simply highlights the fact there is no progress. Also, AMD has been [rightfullly] ridiculed for the same sort of thing with the FX-9000 series, and for their many GPU rebrands.

suty455:

I dont get folks like yourself, nothing personal but AMD has kicked Intels ass since Zen1 ok a few FPS in some games and mostly at 1080 yet in all other areas they are superior they use less power, run cooler have better features and dont have the huge numbers of security issues, they have stuck with the same AM4 since launch and will still use AM4 on the next Zen3 chip but still you want to wait to change systems, what next "oh am going to wait for Zen4" cmon guys AMD has done the job intel will catch up eventually but it wont be for a few years if it was not for AMD you would still be paying with a kidney for a 4 core CPU I think they deserve some of your respect and support.

My PC is a dedicated gaming machine. I don't do anything else with it, so the only thing that matters is gaming performance. As such, I would prefer to upgrade less often and buy the strongest chip for gaming when I do. I haven't upgraded yet because I haven't had to. I had some rough patches in Rise of the Tomb Raider, but other than that, all the games I've been playing run fine on my existing hardware. I'm not against AMD. I would happily buy their products, but they're more of an all-around value as you pointed out, rather than a halo product for gaming performance. Whoever has the top performing chip at the time I'm ready to upgrade will get my money.

squalles:

im really never understand about "go with ryzen and spend less money" you need a top ram reaching 3733mhz to give a good performance to him, you need a x470 or x570 motherboard to hit these clocks, in end you will spend more or will have slower performance overall with b450 motherboard and ram at only 3200mhz

This just shows how little you know about the Ryzen platform. https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/the-amd-ryzen-all-in-one-tread-overclocking-memory-speeds-timings-tweaking-cooling-part-2.423134/page-92#post-5782814

Pricing is not that bad (CPU ONLY)...but the need for a new motherboard (so more $$$) + a hefty cooling solution (more $$$) + unappealing chipset features makes this a bad buy... At least IF they kept the old socket maybe, just maybe there could be some thinking...

barbacot:

Pricing is not that bad (CPU ONLY)...but the need for a new motherboard (so more $$$) + a hefty cooling solution (more $$$) + unappealing chipset features makes this a bad buy... At least IF they kept the old socket maybe, just maybe there could be some thinking...

Looks like most z490 MB supports pci-e 4.0 with the next cpu refresh. So what other features do you miss on z490? If you upgrade from an OLD setup, or you are a first time buyer. You'll need a new MB anyway 😉

Thermal Velocity Never Getting There This Intel generation is just sad. Requirement of new motherboard which has NOTHING extra to the previous socket (other than extra pins...) is just the tvrd on top of a steaming pile of sh.... release. There will be customers for it because there are enough clowns out there who want to brag about the extra 3 fps, but anyone with a working neuronal net above their neck will stay away from this like it's poison... Anyway... going back into a Zen state...

jwb1:

Intel is giving you more cores for the same price as last time in the high end, discounts in the others, and improving overclocking and thermals. And the cheaper CPUs are getting Hyperthreading. All things people were critical of, but yup it is never good enough for the AMD fanboys. If you want the best gaming CPU and have fun overclocking, Intel. If you want to save your pennies and get more mainstream cores that you probably won't use outside Cinebench, go AMD. Zen3 this year could be interesting, but only if they are able to finally reach Intel in gaming or surpass them. And actually make their CPUs fun to play with in overclocking.

Before final pricing and benchmarks, the crap-talk starts. Well done sir! you've earned your $ntel paymaster's pretty penny...once again!!

bernek:

There are 3 kinds of computer parts buyers: 1. the ones that constantly say I have to wait for X or Y generation and see improvements and eventually end up with some overpriced crap 2. the ones that actually buy what they can afford using the best performance per price ratio and end up with current gen mainstream 3. the ones that buy best of the best and never look back

Hmm....indeed. Then we have the idiots.

gx-x:

...This is ONLY true on unlocked K CPUs set on "manual" in BIOS. On non K CPUs, as soon as they reach wattage that Intel claims, they start to downclock to keep the wattage.

I think you'll find that most 'enthusiasts', where they have purchased an Intel CPU, are - indeed - buying those "unlocked K CPU's", and as their many reviews have shown, TDP?...Houston, we have a problem!

Mesab67:

Hmm....indeed. Then we have the idiots.

^^

Mesab67:

I think you'll find that most 'enthusiasts', where they have purchased an Intel CPU, are - indeed - buying those "unlocked K CPU's", and as their many reviews have shown, TDP?...Houston, we have a problem!

Noobs allways has problems. True story 🙂

Glottiz:

AMD blind fanboyism and hypocrisy is reaching new heights. When AMD GPUs have higher TDP than Nvidia, AMD fanboys be like "hey bro it doesn't matter, it only costs like 8 euros more per year to run it, difference is negligible, buy AMD!" The only fanboyism here is you and your ignorance. I own both Andy and Intel Riggs at the same time right now, and honestly Intel is just not progressing in not worth it. Go read some more about some bass with crappy want to spew on this forum. When Intel CPUs have higher TDP than AMD suddenly AMD fanboys become hyper enviro-conscious Greta Thurnbergs "omg end of the world, pointless, house heater, waah waah" You know what? That's why Noctua NH-D15 and similar CPU cooler were invented. I never ever had any temp issues with 9900K. It seems the only people who have high temps and heating and power usage problem with Intel CPUs are AMD fanboys who don't own Intel CPUs 😕

squalles:

im really never understand about "go with ryzen and spend less money" you need a top ram reaching 3733mhz to give a good performance to him, you need a x470 or x570 motherboard to hit these clocks, in end you will spend more or will have slower performance overall with b450 motherboard and ram at only 3200mhz

I think you're research stopped at Ryzen 1000 and 2000 series for the memory part. You also don't need a 400 dollar x570 board to get the most out of Ryzen, they have much cheaper options that work fine, I got mine for 105 and it runs my 3700x just fine. I'll explain the value proposition and why I went with AMD over Intel for the first time ever this past year. I spent a total of $405 on a 3700x, mobo, and it came with a CPU cooler. The comparable 8/16 Intel CPU when I built my rig cost $439.00 at it's cheapest point and often sold for more. On top of that 439, you're going to have to buy a motherboard, and a CPU cooler that will increase the price. I put that money toward a better GPU so that I would get better performance for the dollar. My goal wasn't to build the cheapest PC I could, it was to save money in areas that mattered less for my target resolution of 3440x1440. I did this so that I didn't wind up with a lesser GPU that would have given me worse performance even with current "best" gaming CPU at the time, the Intel 9900K. Could I have gotten 1-5 more frames in anecdotal benchmarks at my res if I went Intel? Maybe, but I wouldn't notice that difference and I would be stuck spending more to get there or have worse performance with a lesser GPU for my budget. Make sense?