D3M1G0D:

3733 RAM is the optimal configurations but it doesn't mean you absolutely need it for "good performance". From what I've seen, the difference is minimal between 3200 CL14 and 3733 CL16.

I'm running 3800c14 on my 3900x on Asrock x570 taichi.

squalles:

No, ryzen 3000 needs too 3733mhz ram clock to have good performance, and you can get it only with x470 and x570 motherboards

My Ryzen 3900x says hi to you at 4932Mhz on a three years old x370 motherboard with ram at 3800Mhz cas12 😀 , ( you said it only does it on x470 and x570 motherboards ) , you are so wrong i do not even know where to start correcting you lol, i'm sorry but you are completely blind by shintel 😛 . Ram at 3200~3600Mhz is absolutely fine on 3xxx cpus. I think Intel did good lowering the prices this time around , competition is a great thing , we all benefit from it 🙂

jwb1:

Look who actually started it, my friend. The AMD fanboys. A product they never had any intention on giving a chance or buying.

Well obviously... Everyone knows this was yet another refresh of an old architecture. If AMD fanboys didn't buy 9th gen, 8th gen, 7th gen, or 6th gen, why would they buy 10th gen? If this was a 10nm product, I'm VERY sure people would take this a lot more seriously. But as it stands, this generation isn't noteworthy. In fact, if you have a 1155 platform, it's actually unappealing because you need a new motherboard.

I don´t understand why some guys need to trash a product just because they like another product, it´s pointless. Both AMD and Intel have good CPUs right now, with different strengths and weaknesses, so it´s a question of choosing the one that suits us better or that one we like the most. About this new release, i think that´s a solid one, the problem are the prices, still a little higher than they should be, and the need for another MB... The last reason is why i´m considering moving to AMD next time i upgrade, even if that means losing some gaming performance.

Don't get why Intel marketings the i9-10900K as the world's fastest gaming processor, for gaming only it's a bit overkill, heck even a 3700X is overkill. Neither is there really any future proofing for gaming if you pay a lot for a gaming only PC now when you could upgrade it few times in the meantime and end up with more performance at the end. There are some pretty good 6 core options together with good boards that don't cost a fortune both from AMD as Intel, I would go with either for gaming only tbh. I had a 4970K for years, but it finally showed some weakness together with a 2080 Super, so went for the performance I wanted besides throwing a bit more into it to get a fanless X570 board. On a sitenote, using those small fans on motherboards is ancient tech, can't believe that they went back to that, anyone remembers how annoying it was to track down a replacement when one of these fans met it's EOL? If a i9-10900K has the performance someone needs they should defo buy it, no need to bash down on what CPU people want to use just because it has a different flavour than ones own preference.

novv:

Well, believe me, these new i9s Intel CPUs will consume no less than 200W in full load without AVX. Good luck finding the right cooler.

So just get a cooler that can handle 250W? They do exist.

rm082e:

Does anyone think the existing high end coolers won't be sufficient? If you're buying a top-end Intel chip that doesn't come with a cooler, I don't think it's unreasonable to expect you'll also buy a good cooler like the NH-D15 or similar. So long as a good cooler keeps it from throttling, who cares about the heat output?

High end air like the NH-D15 will be fine if not overclocking. Personally if I had a choice I would pick the chip with less heat but then I like to run a rather quiet PC. I don't even want to guess on overclocking as we could be talking 300w easily. I assume any respectable all core OC is going to be custom water loops.

Supposedly the new chipset is being rolled out for the next gen cpu's that will be supporting pci-e 4.0 these cpu's are just to have something on the market. The pricing on these cpu's looks a lot better for what you're getting at least too bad the mobos are far too expensive but that might change once they release lower tiered chipsets I just hope they start supporting OC on the lower end mobos.

My 8700k is still hanging in there atm so i'll pass on this cpu, will wait and see when they make a proper 10nm cpu that aint gonna fry itself when on a air cooler

D3M1G0D:

3733 RAM is the optimal configurations but it doesn't mean you absolutely need it for "good performance". From what I've seen, the difference is minimal between 3200 CL14 and 3733 CL16.

Hummm no, you really need this to have a good performance

jbscotchman:

That's just not true at all.

that´s true, unless you don´t see problem in have same performance than one haswell overclocked or skylake on stock

Intel lost me when they announced the series and I went AMD 3960x not that I care about pcie 4.0 because in real use M.2 nvme don't really go to their supposed 3Gbs 4.0 is the same you'll see 2,xGb/s not more so 3.0-4.0 same thing (I confirm what guru3d as shown in many M.2 reviews here) the real reason is Z390,Z490 are a lie they have 1,2,3 M.2 slots 6-8 Sata slots 3-5 pcie slots but you can't use them because all that bandwith requires lanes and 16(cpu)+24(chipset) is way not enough in 2020 on those chipset 1 populated M.2 = 2 sata slots lost (best case scenario, I've seen 4 slots gone !) so sure if you use 1 sata drive and 1 SSD/HDD you'll be ok but who buys a high end gaming computer and only uses that ? that's a word/excel/navigator casual setup not a gamer or geek setup p.s. sure I'm not a typical user with a 10Gbit home network but still those limitations "running out of usb bandwith" "disappearing sata drives" and "being unable to use another pcie card other than the one graphic card" I all experienced before I had a setup that advanced p.s. 2 some games run like crap on threadripper like snifff skyrim LE (worked better on win7 also) or the original subnautica, unplayable my fps is divided by 3 for most of the others I use process lasso to setup core affinity to 8-16 threads and it gets rid of the stuttering and bad frametimes, something users of Ryzen or the now 10k Intel probably should do too as most games only handles 4cores/8threads or at best 8cores/16threads I recommend setting up a quick msi afterburner/rivatuner on-screen GUI that shows the fps/frametimes on 8+ cores cpu if you experience bad performance chaotic graph lines is a telltale sign that the game doesn't handles your too many cores

Yawn, another set of "low tdp" cpu's....Fridge sellers will go up in the stockmarket.

D3M1G0D:

That's because Intel TDPs are wildly misleading - you can have a CPU rated for 95W but actually does 140W in practice. AMD's TDP figures are very accurate and rare go over specs. Intel is outright lying with their TDP.

I don't know what you've been looking at, but AMD cpu's hit double and triple their rated tdp when working also.

squalles:

No, ryzen 3000 needs too 3733mhz ram clock to have good performance, and you can get it only with x470 and x570 motherboards, 10700k with z490 and standard 3200mhz probably will spend less and give you 15% performance better If youre using the ryzen 3700x on cheap motherboard, sorry but your boost clock are reduced and you cant get the good memory clock sync on 1:1, maybe youre losing 10% or more performance

Again ... with your false and misleading comments. You don't need 3733 MHz ram to have good performance on Ryzen. Which has been proven again and again on these forums.

Webhiker:

Again ... with your false and misleading comments. You don't need 3733 MHz ram to have good performance on Ryzen. Which has been proven again and again on these forums.

You need 3800mhz ram 😛 Have you ever seen anyone actual provide some own testing the last few years here? All people do is posting links from younoobers. People claiming much, but can't post benchmarks or tests of their own.

hmmm I recommend you watch/listen if you have time that youtube video [youtube=UI8XTVyeIvw] it made me more interested into the cpu and chipset than any of the marketing, now I'm curious to see what it'll do in benchmarks there's more work than I tought into the cpu but it's mostly about core clock/voltage power management

novv:

A cooler with max 250W it's not going to handle very well the new i9 in full load with AVX. For sure the CPU will throttle a lot. You need something with minimum 300W. More like 350-400W to be sure that temperature will stay under 90C in full load w/AVX. Of course there is always a premium cooler like Corsair H150i, but at what cost? I mean you're buying a 500$ CPU and you absolutely need a cooler that's 200-300$ minimum.

Do people actually play Prime95 with avx 24/7 in 2020, or do they use the computer for normal programs and games? I know Ryzen 3000 owners play A LOT of Cinebench 😛

sverek:

10700KF for $329 is not bad at all. It's the same price as Ryzen 7 3700x. Both 8c/16t. For people who want to upgrade from older hardware, it might make sense. So motherboard cost difference is not so bad. Looking forward how does it compare.

I had that thought as well.. I payed 330e for my 4770k 7yrs ago, I remember 8core was 1000e back then lol

sverek:

10700KF for $329 is not bad at all. It's the same price as Ryzen 7 3700x. Both 8c/16t. For people who want to upgrade from older hardware, it might make sense. So motherboard cost difference is not so bad. Looking forward how does it compare.

Yea, it´s not a bad deal. The problem is the need for a new MB and a cooler powerful enough to cool the CPU when overclocked... Anyway, this is what happens when there is real competition.

H83:

I don´t understand why some guys need to trash a product just because they like another product, it´s pointless. Both AMD and Intel have good CPUs right now, with different strengths and weaknesses, so it´s a question of choosing the one that suits us better or that one we like the most. About this new release, i think that´s a solid one, the problem are the prices, still a little higher than they should be, and the need for another MB... The last reason is why i´m considering moving to AMD next time i upgrade, even if that means losing some gaming performance.

Well said, it always ends up with pointless infighting, truth is both do have great CPU's out. both with strengths and weaknesses. Us fighting on forums seems silly, competition is a good thing