jwb1:

Just because people like you on forums like to make "gotcha jokes" about Intel vs AMD and the tech YouTuber reviewers like to pander to you for the views does not change the facts of the matter. Intel are still the market leader. Ryzen has brought AMD out of obscurity having been nowhere for like a decade which is progress, but make no mistake, they are still not even close to overtaking Intel. They have more work to do. There are more Intel chips out there than AMD ones and the money doesn't lie, and Intel is making way more than AMD.

Look man its only a joke, during the years i used everything from Cyrix to AMD to Intel. I use what gives me best performance for value, no fanboying in any direction. However i do find it funny every time i see 14nm+++++++++++++++++ (maybe i missed one of those + ;P). Fact is Intel thought they are untouchable and thought they dont need to innovate and can keep their "4 core CPU high end" desktop CPU prices high, to milk their customers for min RnD budget. Hope they learned their lesson. I do hope they come up with something new, because competition is good for us - customers, just can they stop adding + for last 5 years? Pretty please!

ToxicTaZ:

Intel IPC will Double SkyLake IPC that's 100% IPC Gain over SkyLake! (((Ocean Cove))) The first series to double IPC is Intel second generation 16 cores big.Little on second generation 7nm+ "Meteor Lake" from brand new Fab42 factory from the ground up which all 7nm+ uses Intel new next generation "Ocean Cove" cores design. Meteor Lake will be on second generation Intel H6 LGA 1700 and Intel first PCIe 5.0 with DDR5 and USB-4 WiFi-6E 5G all together against AMD Zen 5 AM5 PCIe 5.0 with DDR5 and USB-4 WiFi-6E 5G on 5nm. 2020 and 2021 are very bad time to buy PC hardware with both companies with new sockets from AMD "AM5" socket and Intel "H6 LGA 1700" socket along with both "PCIe 5.0" and "DDR5" "USB4" "WiFi-6E"..... Until then I'll enjoy my 9900KS @5.2GHz AVX2 Cooled By EK speed demon.

This sounds like a wishful thinking list, and it's kind of irrelevant unless Intel actually does change their architecture, which doesn't seem to be the case. AMD will probably end up at the same slump unless they're designing the next architecture from Zen already.

jwb1:

Just because people like you on forums like to make "gotcha jokes" about Intel vs AMD and the tech YouTuber reviewers like to pander to you for the views does not change the facts of the matter. Intel are still the market leader. Ryzen has brought AMD out of obscurity having been nowhere for like a decade which is progress, but make no mistake, they are still not even close to overtaking Intel. They have more work to do. There are more Intel chips out there than AMD ones and the money doesn't lie, and Intel is making way more than AMD.

When Intel shrinks that node with the new Keller arch, we gonna see them decimate! Am I right, brother? Intel, Intel, Intel.

ToxicTaZ:

Right after Rocket Lake.... Intel has new architecture based upon big.Little design and will double SkyLake IPC with up coming new Ocean Cove cores design. New H6 LGA 1700 socket coming...

The whole point of big.Little is using less power, not being more powerful. You need a big.Little design in order to facilitate low-power operations using the slow cores. If you wanted a speed demon, you don't go big.Little, you go BIG.BIG. :P These chips are designed for hybrid devices which can act as portables and have a high performance mode. They will not be faster than traditional gaming chips, as no big.Little design is. Even mobile chips (see the Snapdragons from 845+), have gone back from big.Little as it doesn't make much sense. Apple, who makes the best mobile chips of them all, is actually emphasizing on big. This Intel chip, is not a gaming chip. It's a hybrid device so that your tablet doesn't overheat by the ancient Core in it which cannot properly downclock. You shouldn't be using a device like that on a gaming system.

ToxicTaZ:

Intel 7nm is Amarican made at New Fab42 factory.

This is perhaps the most irrelevant part of them all. I would be much more reassured if my chips were made in Taiwan, thank you very much.

PrMinisterGR:

This sounds like a wishful thinking list, and it's kind of irrelevant unless Intel actually does change their architecture, which doesn't seem to be the case. AMD will probably end up at the same slump unless they're designing the next architecture from Zen already.

I do not see Zen to be that Short-lived. There are known deficiencies which reduce its performance and even then it is already great CPU architecture in terms of IPC. Will AM5 last as long as DDR5? I do not know. But it is going to last for quite some time. Basically, designing Zen4 for AM5 will open whole new world of possibilities. Latencies, number of PCIe lanes. Integrated controllers. Maybe even some new stuff for iGPU/dGPU. It is new socket and AMD has been evaluating AM4's deficiencies a lot. AMD realized that they barely had enough space on AM4 for I/O-die and two Zen2 chiplets. Once we know dimensions of new socket, we'll know better what plans AMD has for future even if they do not state them. Number of pins can be bigger, yet area can be same or smaller. With smaller lithography, socket can be smaller as well if they only want to fit what was already on AM4. But if it is same or even bigger...

PrMinisterGR:

This is perhaps the most irrelevant part of them all. I would be much more reassured if my chips were made in Taiwan, thank you very much.

Who cares.

Yes yes intel, show something instead of this bs marketing.. It's getting really borring and almost pathetic.

Man are you alright EDIT: More to the point, in case anyone else actually takes any of the above misinformation seriously: big.Little is done since 2017. https://www.arm.com/why-arm/technologies/dynamiq

"DynamIQ is powering the next wave of innovation through unprecedented design flexibility and more compute processing for intelligent solutions. It combines the big and LITTLE CPUs into a single, fully-integrated cluster. The result is many new and enhanced benefits in power and performance for everything from mobile devices to infrastructure gear."

Newer chips are just multiple types of different thermal budgets in a single chip. big.Little makes zero sense on a desktop context where the power efficient small cores are only causing scheduling issues in the OS. If Intel has something that powerful, they should release it as 16 full fat cores, like AMD does. If they have a product that mimicks big.Little, then it will be used for the tablet/hybrid ultrabook market where it might make some sense. The rest all read like a fever dream, and you're pasting them all over as if Intel's stock price is somehow connected to your well being. Apart from nerd battles in forums, this is not healthy.