I spy more charts were it DLSS vs DLSS with and with out FG, I want to see actual raw performance atlest price is acceptable

Additionally, an overwhelming 77% of Steam gamers play games at resolutions no higher than 1080p

That's because for the past 9 years, we haven't had a new GPU that could pay above 1080p for less than $300. Considering a PC is more than just a GPU, it tends to make more sense to just get a console. So - while the 4060 isn't the ridiculous price I expected it to be, it's still not great.

This card is already DOA at that price just like the TI version theyre 100$ too expensive to make sense and the 16GB versions should only be 50$ more expensive since we know the extra vram only costs them about 28$ to double the vram to 16gb Nvidia still seems to think the mining boom is still happening or they've lost their minds

Quite a steep cliff in price between 4060 and 4070.

icedman:

This card is already DOA at that price just like the TI version theyre 100$ too expensive to make sense and the 16GB versions should only be 50$ more expensive since we know the extra vram only costs them about 28$ to double the vram to 16gb Nvidia still seems to think the mining boom is still happening or they've lost their minds

nah they do not think there is still a mining craze , now they are riding the AI boom where they can sell any single mm silicon they buy from TSMC printed with their gpu architecture for insaaaane margins

Who cares...

Venix:

nah they do not think there is still a mining craze , now they are riding the AI boom where they can sell any single mm silicon they buy from TSMC printed with their gpu architecture for insaaaane margins

This^^ There`s a story about a billion dollar sale of GPUs to a single chinese company! No wonder they are starting to lose interest in selling GPUs for gamers...

Yup - like mentioned above, why should Nvidia care about gamers at this point? GeForce products are more expensive to develop for, they require better chip quality (to handle the higher clock speeds), they sell for less money than the pro/server equivalents, they sell fewer units, and we're relatively whiny. I don't think Nvidia is stupid enough to go all-in with professionals and servers, but they also have no incentive to offer a budget-friendly gaming product at this point. Despite their price increases, they still maintain dominance in the gaming GPU market, and it wouldn't take much for them to undermine AMD's efforts, should they catch up.

schmidtbag:

Yup - like mentioned above, why should Nvidia care about gamers at this point? GeForce products are more expensive to develop for, they require better chip quality (to handle the higher clock speeds), they sell for less money than the pro/server equivalents, they sell fewer units, and we're relatively whiny. I don't think Nvidia is stupid enough to go all-in with professionals and servers, but they also have no incentive to offer a budget-friendly gaming product at this point. Despite their price increases, they still maintain dominance in the gaming GPU market, and it wouldn't take much for them to undermine AMD's efforts, should they catch up.

If the ai craze die down or get steep competition they will be left holding chips they can sell anymore ...so that's why they still bother they can turn around and make the gamers buy the rest and already conditioning em to the new prices .... Hell see how passionate some defending the poor trillion dollars company !

Maybe I should have specified, they're DOA to any gamer's with half a brain that know enough about what they're getting to know they aren't competitive and there are much better options at the same or less money. Nvidias mind share and brand are just too powerful, they've truly become the apple of gpu's

icedman:

Maybe I should have specified, they're DOA to any gamer's with half a brain that know enough about what they're getting to know they aren't competitive and there are much better options at the same or less money. Nvidias mind share and brand are just too powerful, they've truly become the apple of gpu's

Apple does not have the majority of smart phone marketshare, only 20%, about as much as AMD in GPU marketshare 😛

Here we go again, people who can't afford a £299 computer component telling a global hardware powerhouse how to run its business.

pegasus1:

Here we go again, people who can't afford a £299 computer component telling a global hardware powerhouse how to run its business.

Ah classic argument.... They don't like the product they must be poor ...Nvidia knows best . This has nothing to do with both the majority of us here can buy the card , criticizing products from a company is just that critique and none is above it , the midrange was already starved and 3 years later they offer less vram ...less than 20% performance increase after 3 years .... The only time I can think of such stagnation was with rebrandeon from 2xx series to 3xx series and Polaris.... But those where one year apart ..... I would be surprised if the climate was positive about those releases .

Venix:

Ah classic argument.... They don't like the product they must be poor ...Nvidia knows best . This has nothing to do with both the majority of us here can buy the card , criticizing products from a company is just that critique and none is above it , the midrange was already starved and 3 years later they offer less vram ...less than 20% performance increase after 3 years .... The only time I can think of such stagnation was with rebrandeon from 2xx series to 3xx series and Polaris.... But those where one year apart ..... I would be surprised if the climate was positive about those releases .

Complaining in forum has nothing to do with what the majority of are buying anyways, you see, people still bought extremely inflated GPUs during the pandemic despite every major critic saying how badly priced GPUs were. Well in the movie industry we have so called woke critics whose opinions are completely worthless to the general population (Rotten Tomatoes), perhaps we have those kind of critics in the PC space as well 😛

Venix:

Ah classic argument.... They don't like the product they must be poor ...Nvidia knows best . This has nothing to do with both the majority of us here can buy the card , criticizing products from a company is just that critique and none is above it , the midrange was already starved and 3 years later they offer less vram ...less than 20% performance increase after 3 years .... The only time I can think of such stagnation was with rebrandeon from 2xx series to 3xx series and Polaris.... But those where one year apart ..... I would be surprised if the climate was positive about those releases .

You missed the irony buddy, irony works best when you use two ends of a spectrum in the joke, the cheapest card and the valuable company as the fuel and then the suggestion of impotence as the match. Liking the product is irrelevant, its peoples failure to understand how business works that is relevant. We have zero direct (short term) control of AMD/NV/Intel development and release strategy, and to think the long term control we can exert (dont buy and force a lowering of prices) only works if you have leverage, which the consumer doesn't when certainly NV is making plenty of money from the surge in AI support. Can poor sales force them to add VRam to their cards, doubtful as they are investing more in software technologies like DLSS, why add more VRam when Johnny Steam user can use DLSS on his new **60 series card to play his favourite game at 1080p with RT. Its a little like buying an 'M Sport' Edition of a basic BMW 3 series but complaining it doesnt have the same performance as an M3, why do you think all these manufacturers bring out these versions? If you want a full fat M3, or AMG or RS3, spend the money and buy the actual car. If you want oodles of VRam and RT power but without the fake frame tech, pay the money. Unfortunately that is the way and no amount of dummy spitting will change this phase we are in. Go big or go home is the (their) attitude and you can accept, or not.

If they brought it down to $149.99 it will sell gangbusters.

Jujubee:

If they brought it down to $149.99 it will sell gangbusters.

That would work if the card itself was a 'loss leader', ie the loss in revenue was made up somewhere else, think games consoles which are often sold at a loss but the revenue is recouped via game price or subscription services. Its often very easy to see those on forums such as this who run their own businesses, they understand the complexities of supply and demand, of manufacturing, of logistics and resources. Now some reality, when the NV board take their seats, the guy in charge of low and mid range gaming cards is sat so far down the table he probably needs a megaphone for the Chief Exec to hear him. The 4090 guy sit way further up, wearing a badge that says 'Fastest Commercial Gaming Card', and you know the AI guy is next to the CE dripping in coke and hookers. Would i like to see a 5090 with double the power but half the price, obviously as the more people have top end cards, the more game devs are forced to code for those higher end cards, but the vast majority of gamers are **60 @1080p.

Krizby:

Complaining in forum has nothing to do with what the majority of are buying anyways, you see, people still bought extremely inflated GPUs during the pandemic despite every major critic saying how badly priced GPUs were. Well in the movie industry we have so called woke critics whose opinions are completely worthless to the general population (Rotten Tomatoes), perhaps we have those kind of critics in the PC space as well 😛

I have to admit I am not even fully aware what is woke or not I just see a movie and I like it or not . And yes here we are not even close to be a good sample of the average buyer .... That said most of us here are the ones dictating what computers a lot of our friends and family get so our contribution is not tiny ....is not huge either and by our I mean "enthusiasts" ... Last 15 years I directly told or build my self computers way over 30 times where they told me their budget and picked the parts for em ! And the systems had Nvidia Radeon AMD and Intel parts .

Venix:

I have to admit I am not even fully aware what is woke or not I just see a movie and I like it or not . And yes here we are not even close to be a good sample of the average buyer .... That said most of us here are the ones dictating what computers a lot of our friends and family get so our contribution is not tiny ....is not huge either and by our I mean "enthusiasts" ... Last 15 years I directly told or build my self computers way over 30 times where they told me their budget and picked the parts for em ! And the systems had Nvidia Radeon AMD and Intel parts .

Yeah I just finished 2 builds for friends just last month 😀, overall I have no problem with high prices of new gen because I can sell my old GPUs for high prices too 😎. For example had the new 600usd 4070 able to tie with 3090, I wouldn't be able to sell my old 3090 for 750usd would I. During the pandemic I sold my 2060S for 600usd and later bought 3070 for 600usd after GPU prices crashed (nephew's PC).

Krizby:

Yeah I just finished 2 builds for friends just last month 😀, overall I have no problem with high prices of new gen because I can sell my old GPUs for high prices too 😎.

kinda logical, unless you bought rdna2 new at msrp cause they're getting dumped for super low prices, especially 6700xt and 6900/6950xt. the guy who bought it for 1250eur must have been pissed seeing my 400eur bid win his 6800 too.