The price, power draw and performance of the 3090 and 3080 didn't impress me as it was obvious they didn't scale close to lineally with more cuda cores. Its even more obvious now as the 3070 looks to be a sweet spot of efficiency. You basically get a 200w 2080Ti for $500 which is rather impressive. I have a feeling a 3070 Ti with a bit more cuda cores and VRAM might make for the peak of maxing the architecture from an efficiency stand point. I will wait to see what AMD launches but the 3070 is on my short list.
Oh I get it. I just thought it was funny how @Undying said 8gb just "isn't enough" when it still clearly is. 😉
For now, yes it is, for the most part. There are some, a relatively few, titles where 8GB isn't enough, Doom Eternal isn't the only game where at 4K 8GB becomes a problem, which is where the Radeon VII I have comes in handy. 😀
Things are about to change, though, certainly there won't be relief for those of us who play at 4K with 8GB. 1440p high refresh is more comfy overall, 4K for all its shiny is more of a headache.
TPU bench is where I expect performance to be, so this looks unique to the Guru3D benchmark machine.
could be the installed windows CU?
1 benchmark being slightly off is hardly an indicator of anything system wide. It could very well be the scene choice. Because Guru3D traditionally falls nicely within all other reviews.
Take 3090 aggregate performance for example.
1 benchmark being slightly off is hardly an indicator of anything system wide. It could very well be the scene choice. Because Guru3D traditionally falls nicely within all other reviews.
Take 3090 aggregate performance for example.
in no scene would a 2080ti and 3080 bench the same.
been waiting on this,great review as always,hopefully i can get one of these when they go on sale,ive saved long enough and been on this gtx970 long enough lol
So... is it safe to upgrade now???
Sure, yet another review for a card that could be in stores ...or not....from a company that could be in trouble from competition...or not on this day when outside my window the sky is cloudy and could rain...or not...
That's how much I started to care about these new Nvidia card releases...or not.
Still waiting for:
Just get beat up 2080 Ti with 73.5 hours of warranty from one of those nice miners fellow gamers instead.
Then pat yourself on the back if you can find a difference in DOOM / W:YB between Ultra-Nightmare textures and Ultra-Insane-Mein-Leben-Nightmare textures.
Astyanax:
in no scene would a 2080ti and 3080 bench the same.
1080p looking at the wall?
I'll be honest: It's one freaking game, 1080p settings, Hilbert could be benching it of a toaster for all I care 🙂
Well I feel a bit better about having a preorder in for a TUF 3080 now I've seen this review & the prices here in the UK for the 3070. Cheapest for 3070 delivered is about £540, and I'm gonna get my 3080 for £700, which is exactly 30% more expensive for the 3080 but you get 30% more performance and another 2GB of VRAM....yeah ok, I got a pretty good deal then choosing a 3080 here in the UK!
Just odd if the Witcher 3 is the only title that is memory bandwidth sensitive.
Let's not make those 8 vs 10 vs 20gb conspiracies the norm. How does that explain the lack of such massive gaps between other cards with lower amounts of vram?
Further, Gamers Nexus made this https://www.Disney.net/game-bench/1949-witcher-3-texture-quality-comparison-vram-and-fps where you see no impact in performance based on texture quality, which would make some amount of sense that there would be a difference if it was performant impactful - certainly speedwise.
Not that weird, because despite what a lot of people think, games aren't that VRAM intensive. Remember - just because your VRAM may be show to be 100% filled, that doesn't mean it's actually full. A lot of it is just a buffer, which helps minimize load times and stuttering. Although Hilbert used an i9, a system with PCIe 4.0 would help dramatically alleviate any game that demands more VRAM.
I still think Nvidia should've given the 3070 10GB and the 3080 12GB, but 8GB is "sufficient", only barley and probably not for long.
H83:
Performance wise, this card is good, basically the same as the 2080ti but the price is too high. A 70 series cards should be around 350€, 400€ max, more than 500€ for this is simply too much. Nvidia is pricing some of the GPUs too much, i just hope AMD can deliver with big Navi at reasonable prices.
Considering what they did with the 2000 series, I don't think we should be complaining. The 3070 MSRP is still less than half of a 2080 Ti while overall being faster. People in these forums are already salty about how much money they spent on something that was so easily obsoleted by something so much cheaper.
Think of it like Intel back in 2017-2018, where you were getting basically half the offering of AMD for a higher price. If Intel tried to compete against that directly, they would just really piss off their customers who would be like "wait so why was the thing I bought last year so expensive when you could have easily dropped the price so much and still turn a profit?". Companies can't make it too obvious how much they're gouging you for your money.
Just odd if the Witcher 3 is the only title that is memory bandwidth sensitive.
Every tested DX12 title is faster. Every DX11 is slower a bit. Probably up to scheduler. Doesn't matter. They are all old games.
But that's to everyone saying 8 GB isn't enough for 4K games. More than enough. 3DNews tested RTX 3090, RTX 3080 and RTX Titan in 8K. 10 GB is even enough in 8K in many games, but not any game though.
Just odd if the Witcher 3 is the only title that is memory bandwidth sensitive.
Let's not make those 8 vs 10 vs 20gb conspiracies the norm. How does that explain the lack of such massive gaps between other cards with lower amounts of vram?
Further, Gamers Nexus made this https://www.Disney.net/game-bench/1949-witcher-3-texture-quality-comparison-vram-and-fps where you see no impact in performance based on texture quality, which would make some amount of sense that there would be a difference if it was performant impactful - certainly speedwise.
I am not making any conspiracies here. I am just saying that vRAM also plays a part on top of speed as well. There is a lot of variables on what could cause such a performance gap.
Witcher 3must be a vram thing. look how close the 1080Ti is 11GB. That is very strange!
Yes, The Witcher 3 is very sensitive with VRAM, if you want to see if your GPU has a stable memory OC, launch this baby up and look for any texture issues. 🙂
mem bandwidth
2080ti = 616gb/sec
3070 = 448gb/sec
^ that will impact FPS more than vram buffer. So when we see titles that the 3070 slips behind the 2080ti at 4k, keep that in mind. Insufficient vram buffer will more likely result in very choppy game play and poor frame times. If FPS is lower but gameplay is smooth, it is not an insufficient vram buffer issue.
1. What is that power consumption? 210W for the FE? 40W more than a 2070? Ok, at least the performance is delivered. However, NV claimed it is faster than the 2080Ti, and it is at most on par with it.
2. 8GB will be not enough for 4K gaming. Doom can only run 4K ultra (Nightmare) by seriously reduced performance. And what will come in the upcoming years?
jbscotchman:
I must say, that is impressive. This will definitely be a very desirable card and the 8gb vram doesn't seem to be an issue at all.
Actually, if you run Doom on 4K with Nightmare details, you already run out of 8GB, and it shows in significantly reduced performance.
1. What is that power consumption? 210W for the FE? 40W more than a 2070? Ok, at least the performance is delivered. However, NV claimed it is faster than the 2080Ti, and it is at most on par with it.
2. 8GB will be not enough for 4K gaming. Doom can only run 4K ultra (Nightmare) by seriously reduced performance. And what will come in the upcoming years?
Actually, if you run Doom on 4K with Nightmare details, you already run out of 8GB, and it shows in significantly reduced performance.
I've looked at plenty of reviews, Doom is definitely the heaviest on vram but remember this is a $500 card that blows away any card from previous generations with 8gb and not everyone runs 4k. Heck I just switched to 1440p this year and will be using it for years to come.
Just a note for those of us who forgot Witcher 3 is a 2015 game, where a 3,5gb VRAM GTX 970 can max it. And the VRAM will not even be full. So please, erase that "it might be VRAM running off" argument from your heads, really. Its something else. Either some driver issue, bandwidth or aliens, but not VRAM. VRAM is a issue at the DOOM Eternal, so you can see that 8gb is something which will sooner than later bottleneck you from maxing out your games.
minersfellow gamers instead. Then pat yourself on the back if you can find a difference in DOOM / W:YB between Ultra-Nightmare textures and Ultra-Insane-Mein-Leben-Nightmare textures. 1080p looking at the wall? I'll be honest: It's one freaking game, 1080p settings, Hilbert could be benching it of a toaster for all I care 🙂