Doom Eternal may not have Ray-Tracing at launch
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alanm
I think Nvidia will give them a nudge and help them get it ready for when Ampere arrives.
Denial
sbacchetta
At the same time Nvidia don't make game themselves, so it's hard to follow on their promises. The biggest problem was because of lack of competition from AMD, Nvidia jacked up the price of the 2000 series trying to justify it with the lackluster (in term of support) "RTX features"... With HW T&L Geforce 256 and pixel shader Geforce 3, support wasn't great at launch either but the price was still "OK" without even considering those features.
Reardan
Minecraft RTX page. There's nothing on this advertisement for Minecraft RTX that even suggests it not only isn't available, but isn't available and has no release date. In fact, all the wording on the page is present tense, as if this is something you could pop a card in and use. It literally uses the words "It's on". There's pictures, videos, no regular consumer would look at this page and think anything but "I can play Minecraft with RTX if I own these cards" which just isn't true.
They have little control over what happens to the games that end up in development hell, or extremely delayed, but their advertising should reflect these realities and they seem to refuse to do that. And the funny part is, Cyberpunk, Atomic Heart, Minecraft, etc? They're going to use the same games they used to sell RTX 2000 cards around launch to sell RTX 3000 cards. If that isn't a massive problem, what is?
I think when companies decide they want to start selling ecosystems, they have to be held to an even higher standard on their promises. It's entirely likely that I, as a consumer, would've bought a gsync monitor because I bought an RTX card because of the advertisements related to these games. Maybe I bought an nvidia shield so I could gamestream to it, maybe I bought some of these games on Geforce Now, etc. Companies can't be allowed to lie or mislead to get customers into the ecosystem so they're stuck there.
I disagree, the biggest problem is their dishonesty in advertising. I fully understand that they can't control when games come and go, difficulties games have, problems that arise, shit happens.
But then those games need to be removed from the list, or worded properly. Here's their sbacchetta
Denial
That's not to mention this list:
https://eteknix-eteknixltd.netdna-ssl.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/rtxgamelis.jpg
Nvidia sold cards with the idea that these games would receive either DLSS/RT support.
Off the top of my head, I know ARK never got anything, Corsa never got an update, Atomic Heart is basically cancelled, Dauntless never got an update, Enlisted is still in Alpha - probably never coming out either, Hitman 2 never got DLSS/RTX. PUBG never got either.
At this point there are probably more games that were listed that never got DLSS/RTX then games that did get it.
At what point is it just massive amounts of false advertising? Honestly I'd argue it's worse than the 970's 3.5GB issue. They promised all these games and features and never delivered on any of them nearly two years later. As Rearden said, the 3000 series will probably also feature Atomic Heart and people that search "games with RTX" will see lists like the picture above and yet nada.
OnnA
Butter smooth (Demon frags) at +100FPS 1440p is what we need 😛
fantaskarsef
sbacchetta
You are both right, but like I wrote the problem was they jack up the price and tried to justify it with RTX feature, and obviously didn't delivered on it(their marketing department shouldn't have made any promises on the first place to be honest). I mean if the 2080ti was a 750 USD card people wouldn't complain as much because RTX would be see as nice "bonus feature"
Denial
https://www.droid-life.com/2017/11/14/nvidia-spot-release-date-price-wtf/
These companies are realizing it's more profitable to sell the idea of something before actually implementing said idea. They shouldn't be selling cards based on updates to games that are a year or more away - regardless to the cost of the card.
I think the pricing makes it worse but I still take issue with the idea that they are selling cards based on promises.
I've been burned so much by this lately it's annoying. Google constantly does this, they show a product at some Google hardware event with some cool features that "will come in the following weeks/months" - I buy said product and the feature comes like a year later, typically after a new version of that product is already out, or the feature doesn't come at all, or the feature comes for like 3 months then gets cancelled.
As far as Nvidia - there are still people complaining about the "Nvidia Spot" that they demoed with the Shield. People bought an Nvidia shield under the guise that they could basically use it like a Google home if they had bought a spot. It never came, Nvidia never even cancelled or mentioned why it's gone.
MonstroMart
k0vasz
sbacchetta
Sadly this a global trend look at huge number of game that came out in a complete unfinished state. People need to start voting with their wallet, hence why I didn't bought an RTX card...we should be paid to be beta tester not the other way around...
insp1re2600
we happy few is long in the bargain bin, graphics weren't that great to begin with, surprised that will get rtx still.
Nekrosleezer
Undying
Aaron123
Seriously...who cares? RTX is a joke. I was ready to play this in november!
Fox2232
AStaUK
With the next gen consoles supporting Ray Tracing I think we will see better implementation in future games, we'll certainly see a good jump in RTX performance with the next nVidia cards. I enjoyed play CoD: Modern Warfare with RTX enabled, some of the areas looked brilliant with RTX and the game as a whole ran very smooth.
Denial