Der8auer: "Good number of Ryzen 3000 chips does not reach advertised boost clock"

slyphnier

2019-09-02 20:15

7nm itself is still quite new process node, maybe matured one produce better chips time will tell back on release i read this : https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/threads/ryzen-3000-memory-controller-has-half-the-performance-on-single-ccd-cpus.257182/ when i read that, as far as performance didnt think it effect much whatsoever, so never dig more about the issue but then we read the news mobo maker limiting boost few weeks ago, asus said for longevity ? (https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/ryzen-3000-amd-deliberately-limited-boost-behavior-in-favor-of-longevitysays-asus-staff.html) so i wonder if all of this related to mobo, chipset, bios, rather than the cpu itself? or its really the cpu limitation ? well there is no (human-made) product perfect anyway, for ryzen, imo overall the value is still great with its pricing

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gerardfraser

2019-09-02 20:21

Neo Cyrus:

I had a feeling it was wrong, digging up their latest beta shows proper results now.

TBH I would have never even noticed that,I only ever looked at the sensors.

Michal Turlik 21:

Where are those young and naive fan boys defending the Amd trade mark? Stating that Amd is behaving better than Nvidia and Intel? Aren't you mates hiding right? There is no good company out there, everyone wants your money and everyone is trying to brain washing you. First rule.

I am a AMD fanboy and just a couple post up I wrote

Not a good look for AMD at all and it amazing how they can mess this easy stuff up.

not sure where why you would need to state everyone wants your money of course they do otherwise the world might be a better place kumbaya MF lol . It seems and I would like to ask so when did AMD Ryzen get so slow that it is trash now,from what I recall I seen most all reviews the Ryzen 3 CPU lineup for cheaper than Intel still beating Intel.Intel lowered prices and I would still pick AMD over Intel. The shame for AMD your slow 4300Mhz CPU beating Intel 5100Mhz Intel ,shame on you AMD,Shame on you.

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barbacot

2019-09-02 20:26

slyphnier:

for ryzen, imo overall the value is still great with its pricing

Correct - Intel was caught sleeping.

#5707076

barbacot

2019-09-02 20:29

gerardfraser:

I am a AMD fanboy ...

Yes you are!

slyphnier:

for ryzen, imo overall the value is still great with its pricing

Correct - Intel was caught sleeping on this one. P.S. Sorry for the double post - an admin please delete the post before this...

#5707088

Fediuld

2019-09-02 21:05

Tbh the results shouldn't be taken seriously when you have reddit posters boasting that submitted multiple times low speed values to get to AMD. There is no control on the data sample. My 3900X does 4525 out of the box without tweaking. When turn on game mode on Ryzen master (effectively make it 6c/12t) the boost goes to 4.75 on CCX1. And that with a NH D15

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asturur

2019-09-02 21:17

Sadly on this test we have no idea if the cpu cooler was properly installed and what motherboard was used. Does the series x300 boost as good? ( i remember they do not have xrf2 ) also the point on whatever else is running on windows background is valid.

#5707097

nizzen

2019-09-02 21:33

You get what you pay for. Pay less, getting less 😛 Still happy owner of 3900x 😀

#5707101

barbacot

2019-09-02 21:46

tty8k:

I hope this is something that can be fixed otherwise it will shove them back in the dirt after they struggled so much to be competitive.

Why would you say that??? Yes, the frequency is variable across platforms and users but still the performance is great and the new series just oozes value compared to competition.

#5707103

fredgml7

2019-09-02 21:47

AMD ain't saint, everyboddy should know this, my buying decisions are not influenced by that. That said, I belieave it's a minnor problem, but shouldn't happen anyway. If all processors can only boost to 4.2 so advetise 4.2, it's simple, there is no escuse. Ryzen 3k still a great buy anyway (despite AMD not being saint).

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Clanger

2019-09-02 21:48

nizzen:

You get what you pay for. Pay less, getting less 😛 Still happy owner of 3900x 😀

Pentium G5400, £57, happy Pentium owner 😀

#5707112

ladcrooks

2019-09-02 22:03

Another rant fanboy ism 🙄 Doesnt matter if you favour one over the other, some stupid remarks made - Amd has come a long way, and intel fannies can now respect Amd pussies 😳 Amd has now set Intel on fire and with that ! Its good for everybody , we all come out winners, if you cannot see that, go to spec savers 😀

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RzrTrek

2019-09-02 22:14

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#5707132

user1

2019-09-02 23:04

Im skeptical of the software reporting, main reason being is that these cpus change clock frequency faster than any software polling could accurately detect, if i recall ryzen uses a 1 mhz rate for clock adjustments. unless amd if doing some kind logging on chip, I don't see how it could be accurate(for measuring peak boost anyway)

#5707140

jhatfie

2019-09-02 23:31

My 3900X does not want to hit the advertised boost clock, but then again, I run my ram and IF at 3733mhz with 16-15-15-32 1T timings (AIDA reports 64.1 ns latency) and from what I understand, increasing the IF speed potentially decreases the boost. Does not really matter to me though, I am running all core 4.35Ghz @ 1.35v 100% stable. 7756 C20 multi score. 4.4Ghz all core is a no go stable though, at least not without WAY higher voltages than I'd want to do 24/7 to get it totally stable.

#5707146

airbud7

2019-09-02 23:42

user1:

Im skeptical of the software reporting

Just use task manager https://i.postimg.cc/jdvQgNtq/gg2.png

#5707150

BReal85

2019-09-03 00:07

kakiharaFRS:

the problem with Ryzen currently, is that right now, when you buy a processor and a motherboard combo you cannot know which result you'll get worse than that you are forced to take motherboard X unless you want it to have a negative impact on your cpu this is simply not acceptable as a consumer I am furious and I did cancel my 3900x pre-order (thx God i waited for the cpu before buying the rest of the parts) at this point I'm waiting for Intel next HEDT, something I never tought I'd say considering their ludicrous prices >< you do realize that when you buy Intel you 100% get the advertised clocks and can easily get more than they advertise ? (+8,5% in my case) on AMD, even if you "reach" those clock speed it's for what 1-3s ? I can run 5100Mhz all cores aidastresstest for 30min 😏and it's not sold to me for that but it can do it with Intel you pay to get more than advertised with AMD you pay for a "surprise mechanic" cpu/lootbox no no and no this makes me sad and angry ,sad because I was hyped for the new X570 plateform (that would fix my pcielanes/bandwith issues) angry because as a consumer I hate being lied to or buying a "random performance" product I pay X I want X

1. You get the performance with the lower clocks. So? 3600 is 4,2 boost, 3600X is 4,4 boost? And what's the difference in their performance? Near zero. So what random performance are you lying about? 2. Hyped for the nex X570 platform which gives zero performance gain, but gives you a motherboard fan for extra noise? Lol

Andrew LB:

I don't think most Intel owners care enough to take the time out of our day to submit a troll measurement.

Ahahaha, you are a funny guy. Intel officially did that by saying their CPUs are still better in real life applications by showing only 1 example of those (in 3 cases) and making averages out of those 1-1 results on their graph.

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joe187

2019-09-03 00:28

Don't care about the whole "how manys GHZ" thing, bottom line is, do your research, check benches, reviews etc. My new Ryzen actually satisfied my expectations performance wise, despite it not reaching so called claimed max ghz boosts. I feel like i got a good value in it.

#5707173

jwb1

2019-09-03 01:44

joe187:

Don't care about the whole "how manys GHZ" thing, bottom line is, do your research, check benches, reviews etc. My new Ryzen actually satisfied my expectations performance wise, despite it not reaching so called claimed max ghz boosts. I feel like i got a good value in it.

So if a box of cookies said it came with 12 and you only got 9, you'd be okay with that? Or if you are out to dinner and the menu said you get fries with your meal and they don't give you the fries, you'd be okay with that too? You are clearly the type of customer these types of businesses want, because you don't mind getting ripped off, apparently.

#5707176

fry178

2019-09-03 01:51

@BReal85 so i guess your whining to all other companies too, as long as your rig isnt completely passive, i remember cpu/case/psu/gpu having fans. so thats ok, but adding one to the heatsink on a chipset is bad? rofl. not even talking about the fact 1. do you know the noise all the different fans on the different boards make? 2. if they are louder than all other fans 80% of users are running? 3. do you know that there are things like fan control/profiles that allow to adjust speed thus noise? 4. that for example msi is turning off the fan below certain temps? even when i switched the bios to balanced mode (always running the fan), it never got audible over the 8dba fans (case/rad) im running throttled. guess thats the thing now, troll ppl about non-existing issues

#5707185

Astyanax

2019-09-03 02:10

not hitting the advertised boost clock at a quantifiable rate where it should is a problem for AMD, this can bite them in the ass if enough disgruntled users get together. They need to work on getting the SMU more mature and convey more clearly what they consider should be the average boost. This is why nvidia in the video card segment doesn't advertise the max boost clock on its specs, it advertises the average, which is typically within the center of the boost table. AMD need to work with Board builders to get these chips functioning to consumer expectation per the pre-release marketting. Yes they are good chips AMD though it has a higher IPC, is still being outperformed due to the competition having higher clocks.