Not true. Pirated CiV V first but I liked it so I bought it with every DLC.

So you cost the company nothing? Like I say 😉

IMO Anti-Piracy measures are a waste of money/time/resources Anyone who pirates was never going to buy it anyway, so why stop them? It's not increasing sales IMO

Pirating is actually increasing sales on good games, and decreasing on bad games. Those who create great games, waste their money and lose sales at the same time by using all those anti-piracy measures. If a person doesn't have enough money to buy a video game, he won't buy it anyway. But there is GOG, someone gets it =)

Pirating is actually increasing sales on good games, and decreasing on bad games. Those who create great games, waste their money and lose sales at the same time by using all those anti-piracy measures. If a person doesn't have enough money to buy a video game, he won't buy it anyway. But there is GOG, someone gets it =)

With you, and yep, GOG gets it, not sure it's all about lack of money though, money or not, pirates will pirate, I think it's blown way out of proportion to suit the anti-piracy trolls, not much difference to patent-trolls

There will be a lot who can afford to buy, but would rather get it for free if the opportunity is there. Also, if one game is on GOG and the other has Denovu and you want both but can only afford one, then you will pirate the GOG game. People can be greedy, ive been there myself when it came to games/music/movies. I was like a kid in a sweet shop at one point.

There will be a lot who can afford to buy, but would rather get it for free if the opportunity is there. Also, if one game is on GOG and the other has Denovu and you want both but can only afford one, then you will pirate the GOG game. People can be greedy, ive been there myself when it came to games/music/movies. I was like a kid in a sweet shop at one point.

I think most people here (Admittedly or not) have been too, first taste of the freebies on the net, then you grow up and learn a thing or two I still use torrents for demos if there isn't an official one, decide after that, probably why we don't get demos much today, if I bought 90% of what I demo'd, I'd be p1ssed

So many wasted manpower and time battling the pirates instead of improving on the actuall games. Witcher 3 showed how no DRM can still be more successful than all of those Denuvo protected games.

well it not really related... maybe just few stuff that need dev. work with denuvo but basically denuvo company the one that battling the piracy while game company basically just pay them to use on their games... so game dev. barely wasted their sources into it -------- anyway security been always never ending mouse-and-cat games from what i know (didnt read much about it yet), basically denuvo act like encrypter+decrypter gateway.... if cracker already find a way to remove denuvo (basically removing DRM), making a game non-drm ... then basically nothing much denuvo can do. for offline mode though... for online they might inject new tweaking/patch the method to fool the denuvo system thinking user playing legit games, while this will also bypass their system, but this can easily patched by denuvo. one things for sure cmiiw, denuvo is just add-on DRM rather than deep to core game-engine... so basically games created non-DRM for the beginning and nothing unbreakable anyway... its just matter of time

Apparently another a group called CONSPIR4CY cracked "Ride of the Tomb Raider". this time seemingly bypassing Denuvo completely. I wonder how long this is going to work...

Just finished d/l and will let you know how well it works! 😛irate: Normally I buy good games, such as the first Tomb Raider, but Denuvo can kiss my ass, as well as any company that uses it. All I have to say is just look at GOG, The Witcher 3 in particular, and see how much profit their DRM free games are raking in. When I pirate, it's out of principal and spite, not cheapness. *cough EA cough* Damn, something's in my throat. *cough cough Ubisoft cough*. :flip2:

...and defeated again. http://i.giphy.com/l0HlGydy4aqd3kwxi.gif It took 7 months tough.

Just finished d/l and will let you know how well it works! 😛irate: Normally I buy good games, such as the first Tomb Raider, but Denuvo can kiss my ass, as well as any company that uses it. All I have to say is just look at GOG, The Witcher 3 in particular, and see how much profit their DRM free games are raking in. When I pirate, it's out of principal and spite, not cheapness. *cough EA cough* Damn, something's in my throat. *cough cough Ubisoft cough*. :flip2:

I played RotTR with Denuvo fine. It's a good game. What's wrong with Denuvo? It does not install any drivers or other system components like say Starforce.

So many wasted manpower and time battling the pirates instead of improving on the actuall games. Witcher 3 showed how no DRM can still be more successful than all of those Denuvo protected games.

I find it funny that the Witcher 3 is always brought out as the example game when it comes to talking about DRM. A game which most pirates have probably bought..I mean, it has no copy protection, a ton of sales, and anecdotally any pirate can use it as a defense saying "Look, I will support those who get rid of INVASIVE, INTRUSIVE DRM!" But the truth of the matter is you only list the Witcher because it is novel, and its only a valid argument because it is novel. Just like radiohead and the Humble Bundle put out a "pay whatever you want" and were successful, CD Projekt red did the same thing. Does anyone live under the illusion that the entire game or music industry could move a "pay whatever you want" model? Obviously not, these campaigns were successful not because people have always wanted to pay more for music The same is true of the Witcher. The Witcher was always going to be successful. It's a well crafted, well supported game. The lack of DRM is an additional advertisement. The fact that it is such a good game, with a developer vocal about DRM makes it so any pirate can pick it up and support their cause. But what if it were ten games with no DRM and a vocal developer? Hundred? What if the whole industry were like that, would you buy them all to reward the developers? Obviously not. The Witcher's model works because it's the best no DRM game available. The Witcher would be successful with DRM, or without. The fact that they're famously anti-DRM works in their favor specifically because they are the largest one. I wonder why you guys don't quote other examples, like Demigod from Stardock. Stardock is also famously anti-DRM, and Demigod was killed on launch because of the massive piracy, so many in fact that the servers were totally overwhelmed and legitimate players couldn't play. Where were the anti-DRM supporters then?

Not played Demigod, but reviews point for little above average game, so most probably the pirates played a couple of hours and switched to the next game, without purchasing. Buying a game, just to have a meh in you mouth after 10 hours is unreasonable. I have purchased at full price at lunch to support the devs, but most games are to be enjoyed a year later with fixed bugs, added mods for custom preferences and at half to quarter price. If I can't find and test the game now, I will wait for both review and a significant price drop.

Not played Demigod, but reviews point for little above average game, so most probably the pirates played a couple of hours and switched to the next game, without purchasing. Buying a game, just to have a meh in you mouth after 10 hours is unreasonable. I have purchased at full price at lunch to support the devs, but most games are to be enjoyed a year later with fixed bugs, added mods for custom preferences and at half to quarter price. If I can't find and test the game now, I will wait for both review and a significant price drop.

It doesn't have a single bad review on metacritic in the professional section, and every bad user review looks like this. The game was good, really good even.

As fun as it is to white-knight an indie company like Stardock, Demigod is simply not a good game. The connection problems continue to plague it over a month after release, so the reviews that panned it for connectivity issues are absolutely right

Connectivity issues caused by pirates. Pirates can kill games. Even just this one example is justification enough for DRMs existence because there are many studios in this world that cannot afford to have their game ruined by selfishness. Why, as a studio, would I ever leave it up to chance when I can just implement DRM?

It doesn't even change the fact that you're removing the developers choice of allowing you to play the game for free or not. People can argue all they want that they want demos, but that's the developers choice. By pirating it for "demo" purposes you're removing that choice. Which is bull****. If CDProjekt wants to ship games without DRM, all the power to them, but not every dev wants to do that. In the case of Denuvo, it temporarily stopped piracy using minimally intrusive methods. I have purchased several Denuvo titles and I never had any issues. Now as people crack it and the arms race starts again, all we're going to end up with is more sophisticated, intrusive forms of DRM that cause all kinds of problems. All because people feel that they're entitled to free entertainment for whatever reasons people are listing in this thread.

I would like to know what the FPS are on the pirated version compared to the proper version ,just to see if the DRM software has an impact on the game's performance I can't do this myself as i don't have either version of the game ....

Installed and everything works great! Time to try before I buy! Ding dong Denuvo's dead...again....for now...but still!! :flip2:

I would like to know what the FPS are on the pirated version compared to the proper version ,just to see if the DRM software has an impact on the game's performance I can't do this myself as i don't have either version of the game ....

same but from I remember cracked version were always faster I don't remember which game but one company actually released a patch that was the NOCD because it simply worked better lol edit : Ubisoft releasing a patch for R6 with a Reloaded tag into it :eyes:

wwwwwwwww

I think most people here (Admittedly or not) have been too, first taste of the freebies on the net, then you grow up and learn a thing or two I still use torrents for demos if there isn't an official one, decide after that, probably why we don't get demos much today, if I bought 90% of what I demo'd, I'd be p1ssed

Yeah, I had TBs if games and movies I never watched lol. It wouldn't surprise me if OCD stops alot of piracy. How many people want the game in their Steam collection so wouldn't even consider pirating it? I think there are quite a lot of those people who are collecting just as much as playing. Digital hoarding.... DRM is great for the companies who develop it as it makes them a fortune, it's also great for the crackers as it gives them a challenge. It will be interesting to see what happens next, probably won't be good though.

To me the answer is simple: You can't sell a game in US at the same price like in Angola, so that the cause pirates will never die. If someone make 2000$ and another 100$ then you can't expect the one with 100$ to pay money for games, so it is more likely to go for pirate games.

Apparently another a group called CONSPIR4CY cracked "Ride of the Tomb Raider". this time seemingly bypassing Denuvo completely. I wonder how long this is going to work...

For what is already cracked, forever. This is an actual crack, not a bypass requiring Steam to work. Apparently the same method can be used to crack the rest of them in a matter of weeks.

For what is already cracked, forever. This is an actual crack, not a bypass requiring Steam to work. Apparently the same method can be used to crack the rest of them in a matter of weeks.

Probably. They all use the same protection so if one fall others will too.