Hm..how about I make an aircooled PC that has its own Air Conditioner, it would run at much lower temperature than watercooled system (that are cooled by ambient air)

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

The Cooler Master Cooling X, an all-in-one water-cooled PC now available in Asia. This system marks a significant step in computer cooling technology, integrating advanced hardware configurations with sophisticated cooling mechanisms. Cooler Master Unveils Advanced Cooling X All-in-One Water-Cooled System (at a less cool 4500 USD)

pros: refill port - very few are going to keep a 7950x and 4090 for just a couple of years so the refill port is nice. mongo-sized radiators allow for passive radiation and keep things silent. cons: very few really. at $4500 you have over half of that just on cpu/gpu and two water blocks, two massive rads, a pump and all of the associated w/c fittings/tubes plus RAM, storage, the mobo, the psu, and the case itself make up the rest. not a huge premium here well done CM. bonus points for keeping it looking like a professional piece of kit.

Very intersting thing. I'm sceptical of it's real world use (and imho a weird CPU / GPU combo), but I always like new and improved cooling concepts!

Krizby:

Hm..how about I make an aircooled PC that has its own Air Conditioner, it would run at much lower temperature than watercooled system (that are cooled by ambient air)

And why wouldn't you cool the air around a water cooled system in such a situation? That would be better than an air cooled system + air conditioning, again... Also, technically, you're adding more cooling to your system anyway... since you need another seperate cooling loop, and AC is more resembling water cooling... Also, if you build a seperate AC, you might as well just cool the coolant... this is called a chiller... it's already been done by even some here on the guru forums (you can even buy those chillers) :)

i would suggest to some that this is purpose made for East Asia. air cooling suffers from the high humidity & heat, requiring more capable fans and larger than avg. heatsinks...which make noise because the number of days with +80 Fahrenheit and +80% humidity is over half the year in many cases - especially the southeast. the Cooling X imho, is designed as a "render beast". of course it's great for gaming, but if it was designed for gaming we'd have argb and fans galore - as case manufacturers seem to think all gamers oc

fantaskarsef:

Very intersting thing. I'm sceptical of it's real world use (and imho a weird CPU / GPU combo), but I always like new and improved cooling concepts! And why wouldn't you cool the air around a water cooled system in such a situation? That would be better than an air cooled system + air conditioning, again... Also, technically, you're adding more cooling to your system anyway... since you need another seperate cooling loop, and AC is more resembling water cooling... Also, if you build a seperate AC, you might as well just cool the coolant... this is called a chiller... it's already been done by even some here on the guru forums (you can even buy those chillers) :)

All the things you suggested have a major flaw, which is condensation. Due to high humidity in my country, the ambient temp and dew point are so close (only 6C apart) that there is no use for a chiller. Since the AC is effectively a de-humidifier, the air that come out of the AC has a dew point of only 5C, so I can encapsulate the whole PC and not worry about condensation. So yeah, cooling only the coolant with AC or chiller don't work (sub ambient cooling is a pain in the butt). Yes I know I can cool the whole liquid cooled PC with AC, but the radiator could block the dry air flow and cause condensation somewhere inside the PC, therefore aircooling is the safest choice. I got this idea long time ago from Jayztwocents LOL [youtube=bivYEljqr2s]

This has been tried before by a couple of companies and not really been succesful. I am guessing the choice of a 4080 is because that is the max amount of heat the cooling system can manage. I have had a fullsize car radiator mounted on the side of the case and it was barely enough for the CPU. If I ever get bored enough I have a 3 meter long house radiator, that can be mounted in the garage for free heating and cooling. Not much need for big water cooling on a 7800X3D though.

so basically like a noctua cooled system but 20+ times more expensive

@Krizby except: 1. you can use a chiller to indirectly cool a normal loop, no need for worrying about condensation. 2. there are passive rads/huge ext rads with up to 12 fans, so you can easily run them throttled (vs air cooled pc/int rad), or (modded) Reserator V1 (if your lucky to find one used). 3. if its really that hot or really humid, why not install a split unit in the room where the pc is, would also help to make the room environment a little nicer, with the steady room temp helping cooling the pc. and that's not even taking into account future hw changes, that might require "major" redesign, all avoidable with above solutions. @Alessio1989 noctua doesnt make any liquid cooler iirc, so no, they will never reach the low case/gpu temps you can get, with just a simple AIO for cpu, setup as exhaust, no matter what, especially if using a single (rear) fan setup for exhausting heat, cooling above midrange hw just with air, is kind of a waste (to me), as it hinders boost clocks on cpu/gpu. they cant even make really silent fans (max 8dba), or you will need some form of "adapter" to run at lower rpm, all while arctic gets me a similar perf (~10-15%), with same/more (10y) warranty, at 2-3 times less than what a noctua costs. not taking into account until they offered black, i couldnt have cared less how good their fans are, especially at that price lvl. i have no problem spending more for stuff thats "better", but i rather buy this, thatn switch my rig to full noctua..

fry178:

@Krizby except: 1. you can use a chiller to indirectly cool a normal loop, no need for worrying about condensation. 2. there are passive rads/huge ext rads with up to 12 fans, so you can easily run them throttled (vs air cooled pc/int rad), or (modded) Reserator V1 (if your lucky to find one used). 3. if its really that hot or really humid, why not install a split unit in the room where the pc is, would also help to make the room environment a little nicer, with the steady room temp helping cooling the pc. and that's not even taking into account future hw changes, that might require "major" redesign, all avoidable with above solutions. @Alessio1989 noctua doesnt make any liquid cooler iirc, so no, they will never reach the low case/gpu temps you can get, with just a simple AIO for cpu, setup as exhaust, no matter what, especially if using a single (rear) fan setup for exhausting heat, cooling above midrange hw just with air, is kind of a waste (to me), as it hinders boost clocks on cpu/gpu. they cant even make really silent fans (max 8dba), or you will need some form of "adapter" to run at lower rpm, all while arctic gets me a similar perf (~10-15%), with same/more (10y) warranty, at 2-3 times less than what a noctua costs. not taking into account until they offered black, i couldnt have cared less how good their fans are, especially at that price lvl. and you don't have to buy such ugly handled case i have no problem spending more for stuff thats "better", but i rather buy this, thatn switch my rig to full noctua..

same noise, if not better due the absence of pump, lower temps (if not better) for many components, less expensive, longer durability.

Alessio1989:

so basically like a noctua cooled system but 20+ times more expensive

no remember the class of components in here and this is quieter than even a Noctua based system. plus... in S.E. Asia you would need the biggest cooler they make if you want to avoid throttling and with a very aggressive fan curve. the GPU even more so AND the case fans because the VRMs are already in a hot environment and you need to flush out heat pockets for there hot stagnant air is a fact of life. not saying this is an ultimate pc answer, i'm just identifying the design brief

fry178:

@Krizby except: 1. you can use a chiller to indirectly cool a normal loop, no need for worrying about condensation. 2. there are passive rads/huge ext rads with up to 12 fans, so you can easily run them throttled (vs air cooled pc/int rad), or (modded) Reserator V1 (if your lucky to find one used). 3. if its really that hot or really humid, why not install a split unit in the room where the pc is, would also help to make the room environment a little nicer, with the steady room temp helping cooling the pc. and that's not even taking into account future hw changes, that might require "major" redesign, all avoidable with above solutions.

Oh I have a split AC running 24/7 in my room, but I keep it at 28C or higher to avoid getting thermal shock (outside temp here is 38-39C during the day).

The simplest solution would be the PC getting its own AC, with sub 10C air cooling it would beat any watercooling loop or chiller (running at 28C ambient) 😀

Krizby:

All the things you suggested have a major flaw, which is condensation. Due to high humidity in my country, the ambient temp and dew point are so close (only 6C apart) that there is no use for a chiller. Since the AC is effectively a de-humidifier, the air that come out of the AC has a dew point of only 5C, so I can encapsulate the whole PC and not worry about condensation. So yeah, cooling only the coolant with AC or chiller don't work (sub ambient cooling is a pain in the butt). Yes I know I can cool the whole liquid cooled PC with AC, but the radiator could block the dry air flow and cause condensation somewhere inside the PC, therefore aircooling is the safest choice. I got this idea long time ago from Jayztwocents LOL [youtube=bivYEljqr2s]

This is true, that condensation is a major issue, but highly dependant on the specific situation. In my scenario, for instance, absolute temps are the more limiting factor as we don't have as high humidity as you seem to have. Which kind of makes a chiller easier. Also, condensation doesn't start until around 14°C where I live, depending on the humidity, so there's quite some cooling that can be done with a chiller. But you are absolutely right about an AC (especially the split ones) taking care of that as they dump excessive humidity on the outside as well. Very helpful in any such scenario as well. That said, there's also de-humidifyers you can run inside your place without an AC, but they are loud and you would have to empty the water collection bucket too at least once a day, so not very practical.

i'm not in Asia, but i visit there every year for work. Taipei is stifling, Hong Kong & Singapore are brutal at home my main rig uses a chiller i made myself from a cheap Chinese mini-fridge with a three gallon reservoir with a 360 x 45mm rad and a 280 x 60mm rad. it's not necessary and i don't oc like i used to but i'm addicted to temps below ambient

tunejunky:

main rig uses a chiller i made myself from a cheap Chinese mini-fridge with a three gallon reservoir

Gotta picture? I have one in my head but the real thing would be much better.:)

Krizby:

Oh I have a split AC running 24/7 in my room, but I keep it at 28C or higher to avoid getting thermal shock (outside temp here is 38-39C during the day).

The simplest solution would be the PC getting its own AC, with sub 10C air cooling it would beat any watercooling loop or chiller (running at 28C ambient) 😀

The thermal shock thing is very real for me, in the summer I wear hoodie indoors, from the temperature change I actually shiver. Don't even use AC in the car.

rflair:

The thermal shock thing is very real for me, in the summer I wear hoodie indoors, from the temperature change I actually shiver. Don't even use AC in the car.

I got sinusitis from thermal shock. Usually I keep the temperature difference of 5C between outside and inside, though the past week there has been extreme heat going on here and tada...sinusitis :/

Krizby:

Hm..how about I make an aircooled PC that has its own Air Conditioner, it would run at much lower temperature than watercooled system (that are cooled by ambient air)

Have always thought of that. To run HVAC ducting directly in the PC. I'm just not enthusiast enough to go for it.

For $4500, I'd prefer to build my own system.

Hilbert Hagedoorn:

The Cooler Master Cooling X, an all-in-one water-cooled PC now available in Asia. This system marks a significant step in computer cooling technology, integrating advanced hardware configurations with sophisticated cooling mechanisms. Cooler Master Unveils Advanced Cooling X All-in-One Water-Cooled System (at a less cool 4500 USD)

Lovely 🙂

So they look back in CoolerMaster history and bring back the Galaxy WC special edition from the 90"... I haven't been able to get one (very limited edition) so i had and TT Armor+ silver instead... Anyway if it is like original it is a proven thing, that were working nicely in it's time (when CPU and GPU were a lot hotter than nowaday). So why not?