Intel needs to bleed.. We need 2,3 yeas of AMD supermancy, to return Intel on ground again, but now is AMD at same CPU level at best.. No Ryzen APus, no good 5w,10w,15w quad cores with good GPU for ultralights, handhelds etc.. - There could AMD lead. No more than 512 shader units in APU, when there 3 years available console APUs with 1100+ shader units - big fail. I dont mind if AMD could create some old lasting MB line line socket 7 (super socket 7) - where you could use everything from Intel Pentium 60 MHz to AMD K6-III - 550 MHz, i want lots of 3D and Now baby..

If you upgrading that much and can afford to do that im sure you can afford a new motherboard. Im on 1150 ddr3 4790k so i would had to upgrade everything regardless and its not like i even need to. If Coffee can beat Kaby with a 15% increase i would upgrade. I think for me would be like 35% better.

guess i will be sticking to my 6700k for the forseeable future so 3-5 more yaers less mutli thread becomes something dev and programs start to use correctly and it be comes huge bottleneck

No Ryzen APus, no good 5w,10w,15w quad cores with good GPU for ultralights, handhelds etc.. - There could AMD lead.

It's not that these parts won't come out, they're just a low priority. It was wise of AMD to do things in the order they did. Ryzen acted more as a proof of concept than anything. I don't think they expected it to sell well, because it really only caters to enthusiasts and investors. TR meanwhile is where AMD's real money-making will begin, since they're now entering a segment that has been in-demand but too expensive thanks to Intel's monopoly. They're doing TR first because AMD already has a little too much competition in the server market (which Epyc targets), so TR is basically a downscaled sample for server admins to experiment on, where they then get to decide if Epyc is where they want to upgrade. If that works, AMD ought to be pretty competitive. FM2+ APUs are still decent products and don't need immediate replacement. AMD is still working on Infinity Fabric for their GPUs, so until that's complete, the APUs have to wait anyway. Without APUs, AMD isn't going to be all that interested in creating laptop chips. For companies that don't want an APU laptop, they're already doing Ryzen-based laptops anyway. As for other mobile devices, I don't think AMD is going to even attempt to get into that. Keep in mind even Intel gave up on that.

No more than 512 shader units in APU, when there 3 years available console APUs with 1100+ shader units - big fail.

The consoles also have lower clocks, less RAM, and use custom chips. To my knowledge, the consoles are still based on Jaguar cores, which are significantly simpler than Zen cores (meaning, they take up a lot less space). There just simply might not be enough room to fit more than 512 shaders.

I dont mind if AMD could create some old lasting MB line line socket 7 (super socket 7) - where you could use everything from Intel Pentium 60 MHz to AMD K6-III - 550 MHz, i want lots of 3D and Now baby..

That's what GPUs are for...

will keep my favorite Sandy-B till the end until jump to AMD in future...

Damn, literally just replaced a Z170X with a Z270, hoping a bios update down the line would make it possible to run Coffee lake CPUs and now read this... looks like 7700k on the Z270 is the end of the line. So these 8xxx will be something different to 1151 and 2066?

I'm not defending this move however. How many people upgrade their PC core components more often than 4 years? Honestly I would want a new Motherboard by then. Granted som on SKL and KBL would like 6:12 but really it would have been a small number. I have had my Sandybridge for what almost 8 years now. No way would I want or expect the motherboard and RAM to be compatible with new tech.

I needed to "upgrade" from Ivy to Sky due to external reasons. I still don't consider HT alone worth the big extra money Intel is asking for i7 over i5, so from Ivy Bridge to Skylake I got next to nothing. However, if there had been a mainstream 6-core, like there should have been if Intel still was a technology company and not a money company, I would have likely paid even the i7 price for it. I have been running 4-cores for a long time now and feel like a 6-core would be relevant. I'm not going to get a new mobo for it, though. If a new mobo is absolutely needed, I'd build an AMD system instead.

guess i will be sticking to my 6700k for the forseeable future so 3-5 more yaers less mutli thread becomes something dev and programs start to use correctly and it be comes huge bottleneck

you act like 6700k is a bad cpu lol

How often do people upgrade their CPUs? By the time you do, chances are you'll want the newer chipset features anyways. It's annoying that Intel can't get two generations back to back on the same socket very often It seems like if you swap CPUs that often, you were probably swapping your board again as well. It's not like AMD has some stellar history either. They released a bunch of refreshes on the same socket. Most weren't worth bothering with if you had an older 8 core already.

socket changes are supposed to come with chipset overhauls, period, full stop. theres literally no other reason for it. the difference between offering a viable cohesive upgrade path until EOL, or arbitrarily designing an """""incompatible""""" socket...is simply, well, stark greed.

New rumor is that coffee lake will support up to 24 PCI lanes. This could be a reason they changed to requiring 300 chipset.

New rumor is that coffee lake will support up to 24 PCI lanes. This could be a reason they changed to requiring 300 chipset.

I´ve read that it´s because Coffe Lake is going have integrated voltage regulators just like Haswell...