fOrTy_7:

That GPU wouldn't fit into ITX chassis. 😀

fOrTy_7:

That GPU wouldn't fit into ITX chassis. 😀 I wonder how this system would perform with Mini / Low Profile variant of this GPU. Also closed ITX chassis could affect performance as well. High temp == throttling. Stuttering is not sexy. 😛

Humanoid_1:

When I posted that I had not seen your second comment. I am glad level heads prevailed here, part of what makes Guru3D's forums one of the more pleasant places to hang out. It was good to hear some of your points in the end too. (I am one of those that actually still feels it is worth honoring a write up by actually reading it, besides I enjoy HH's light hearted writing style )

Vitrify:

Is there a release date for this? Can't find it anywhere.

Bhagat:

Pointless, the CPU review exist for that. More than enough 400 series reviews exists on this website. I don't ask him to do something that's not available. He has already done those reviews. Just post their numbers in a table and make an article. You destroy your own standpoint with the sentence you wrote after this. And like I said, everything that you state above is available on Pages 1 to 6, 28 and 29. What Hilbert has to give is his opinion on how the boards stack up against each other. He is the Don here. We don't want numbers about Intel and AMD processors in an Asus motherboard review. We want to know how it compares to other boards from the competitors, how the VRMs handle the heat, how well it overclocks, how much voltage he needed, memory support and stuff IN HIS OWN WORDS because we trust him, not a article written as if like a bot with 20 or so worthless pages of same stuff being repeated every year. Finally, somebody who understands. IMO the best motherboard reviews come from OC3D's Tiny Tom Logan, BitTech.net and AnandTech(though they are complete Intel suckers, I mean who does 15 X299 reviews over a year and just 6 AM4 reviews with boards that no one buys and also being reviewed at least 6-7 months after launch, half of them being done last month only). There are countless otherswho do good reviews but sadly, the person I want has 29 pages of worthless tables.

maikai:

Ok I don't like multi quoting 30 messages so forgive my vagueness if you haven't read through all these comments. Someone mentioned why they love coming here because of the civility in the forums, another commented on how the forums have lost its luster, there was mention of using multiple website reviews to form an objective and informed decision on a future purchase and the Don himself broke down why he does the reviews the way he does. I personally have a passion for computers and all of its hardware, I however don't go hard like a lot of members do. So the way Hilbert breaks down his reviews is exactly the kind of review I'm looking for and exactly why I myself have been coming to Guru3D since the day I discovered the internet back in the 90s. His reviews aren't overly complicated and unlike those saying they don't need 29 pages to find info they aren't looking for, I'm thinking hey look, 29 pages of exactly what I was looking for as opposed to 4 more websites I could visit to derive any of that other info from after 29 pages going ok they didn't answer any of my questions or break anything down in to layman's terms so I'm just confused. Someone else mentioned visiting multiple sources to gather all your facts and then make an informed decision, this shouldn't even have to be said, but I think most of us older guys all know that this has to be stated in this day and age because apparently going to only 1 source and taking it as the say all be all is prevalent in the world today in almost every aspect. I myself have personally noticed a downward spiral not in the reviews but in the member comments, so I just ignore most of it and my activity in the forums has almost completely dissolved because of it. It was nice to see another good review, and mostly civil criticism and discussion. I hope the comments on here continue on an upward spiral. Last but not least, I'm impatiently waiting on Z490 lol

Bhagat:

And once again, another worthless motherboard review at Guru3D. Considering the fact that I have been following the website for a very long time, I feel ashamed to recommend any of its motherboard reviews to anybody.

airbud7:

F*ck You! ....Go away...His reviews are the best/most truthful. https://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2018/03/26/far-cry-5-is-playable-on-ultra-with-26-different-graphics-cards/#3e82451037dc Check out Guru3D's massive 26-GPU performance review here, which includes 1440p and 4K testing.

Bhagat:

Aww, I am sorry if I triggered you but do try and read the whole thread. And that reply was very poor. I hope you never get into civil debates. You will never win.

airbud7:

you said! "And once again, another worthless motherboard review at Guru3D. I feel ashamed to recommend any of its motherboard reviews to anybody." Now let's debate that^ ....

Bhagat:

Please feel free to check how I have justified myself earlier in the thread. And yes, I apologized for the way I started it and if you think you deserve one as well, I will apologize again. But my stand remains. And I never mentioned a word about graphics cards so I don't know how that example helps. OFC, his graphics card and CPU reviews are the best. It's the motherboard reviews which I have an issue with.

Bhagat:

And once again, another worthless motherboard review at Guru3D. Considering the fact that I have been following the website for a very long time, I feel ashamed to recommend any of its motherboard reviews to anybody.

schmidtbag:

Y'know... complaints are effectively useless when you don't at the very least explain what's wrong and why. Bemoaning about the articles as though they're always bad without stating any reason is not going to fix anything. In my experience, Hilbert is very willing to adjust, if you're polite and state something useful in your criticisms.

Bhagat:

Ok, you are one of the few forum members that I actually respect a lot and I was expecting you or some other forum members to reply. Now, the article. Tell me, how do you review a motherboard when all you are doing is comparing the motherboard being reviewed with 20 different processors on other platforms. A motherboard review is a review when it is compared to boards in the same socket and different generations or with boards of other vendors with same/different chipsets. Just taking tests with a processor and throwing it in a chart with a i7-8700K and a Pentium G4560 and a Ryzen 5 1600 and Threadripper and Skylake-X is pointless and useless. How do I make a decision as to which motherboard to buy from the X470 platform? Opening all the reviews of the different X470 boards in different tabs? Why do I need to compare processors from the 3rd gen Core series and the FX series in a goddamn motherboard review of a 2018 platform? Wouldn't it be more USEFUL if AM4 socket boards were pitched against each other following a standard methodology to test how they fare with a single CPU sample being used for all of them and the same cooler(okay that might change according to heat generated)? IMO the only pages where anything fresh and original is found is the 1st page to the last photograph page, the OC page for that CPU-Z screenshot and the last paragraph of the conclusion page. Everything else is pointless.

schmidtbag:

Valid point, but there are 2 things to consider: 1. It's still good to know where the performance stands relative to other competing platforms. 2. There aren't enough 400 series chipsets or motherboards available to test. I get the impression Guru3D doesn't buy any of the motherboards they test. That being said, I do agree comparing the performance to 300 series chipsets would be a [more] useful benchmark. I understand what you're asking, but keep in mind Hilbert focuses on more of an objective standpoint, whereas what you're asking here is subjective. Seeing as the CPU and RAM clock-per-clock performance is within 1% of each other between each motherboard, there are only the following reasons to care about what board you get: 1. How well it can overclock. 2. Features that you are seeking, such as BIOS related or available connectors. 3. Misc and obvious things, like dimensions, color scheme, board layout, CPU socket, etc. 4. Price point. 5. Customer support. These are things that are specific to your build. If a product doesn't meet your checklist, it isn't worth getting. If multiple products meet all of your criteria, get the cheapest one. So - what is there left for someone like Hilbert to review? To me, that answer comes down to quality, performance, and value. These are things that the average person can't know just by reading a spec sheet. These are what he tests. Does that make more sense?

airbud7:

well then I apologize to you......Could you please find it in your heart to forgive me!

Bhagat:

With that cute picture in your bio, I don't know how anybody could not forgive you. 😀 I think I know why I am getting angry replies. I need a dog pic too. 😛

Bhagat:

Ok, you are one of the few forum members that I actually respect a lot and I was expecting you or some other forum members to reply. Now, the article. Tell me, how do you review a motherboard when all you are doing is comparing the motherboard being reviewed with 20 different processors on other platforms. A motherboard review is a review when it is compared to boards in the same socket and different generations or with boards of other vendors with same/different chipsets. Just taking tests with a processor and throwing it in a chart with a i7-8700K and a Pentium G4560 and a Ryzen 5 1600 and Threadripper and Skylake-X is pointless and useless. How do I make a decision as to which motherboard to buy from the X470 platform? Opening all the reviews of the different X470 boards in different tabs? Why do I need to compare processors from the 3rd gen Core series and the FX series in a goddamn motherboard review of a 2018 platform? Wouldn't it be more USEFUL if AM4 socket boards were pitched against each other following a standard methodology to test how they fare with a single CPU sample being used for all of them and the same cooler(okay that might change according to heat generated)? IMO the only pages where anything fresh and original is found is the 1st page to the last photograph page, the OC page for that CPU-Z screenshot and the last paragraph of the conclusion page. Everything else is pointless.