AMD will not obstruct any workload, including crypto mining
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ManofGod
And well you are doing that, I will patiently wait and buy my new card when things go back to normal. All the way, I will make you suffer for the sacrilege. 😀
KissSh0t
Same... that said goodness the wait is taking so freaking long.
Martin5000
CPU sales down,
computer case sales down,
memory, boards, hard drives, monitors. the hole lot sales down.
Consequences for people not building if they cant complete so they all wait.
Aura89
I swear this forum doesn't know what they want. No, i'm not accusing you of saying nvidia doesn't care for gamers by releasing crypto cards or trying to lock their GPUs from mining....
But seriously: Nvidia releases crypto cards and tries to lock down gaming GPUs for cryptomining(to some degree): They don't care about gamers
AMD states they won't try and obstruct performance on cards: They don't care about gamers
So basically, neither company should do anything, but both should do something, and no matter what, they don't care about gamers.
I'd seriously hate to be part of either company and try and make sense of what people want from them.
You act as though AMD or Nvidia is jacking the prices up on their GPUs and are the reason these GPUs are so far above the MSRP, when in reality, AMD and Nvidia are still getting the exact same cut of the GPU price at MSRP, or 3 times above MSRP. AMD and Nvidia are in no way benefitting from higher-then-MSRP prices.
Maybe blame the right people next time?
tommo1982
No one mentions Instinct cards. Those are more expensive, but how do the new models fare in mining. Haven't seen anything about it.
KissSh0t
I don't believe I blamed anyone other than my comment being a reaction to this thread which is about AMD stating they won't be limiting the workload = crypto mining ability of any new video cards which in turn unfortunately means those new video cards will be snapped up by crypto miners long before your average person just wanting to just buy a medium range video card at a realistic price gets a chance at buying a medium range video card at a realistic price because there are no medium range video cards at realistic prices because they have all been snapped up by crypto miners which in turn increases the price of any new card because demand is so high from crypto miners because they want everything available to continue making profit, more cards, more profit.. more cards more profit.. that is all a crypto miner cares about.
To a crypto miner it doesn't matter if video card is $700 dollars more expensive either.... they just gobble up everything available in the hopes of more profit... more cards more profit.
Aura89
And then went on to say how AMD's supposed to be medium range cards aren't being medium ranged priced.
So which is it, AMD isn't interested in selling medium ranged cards, or AMD doesn't have control over non-MSRP prices?
By your own statement, if AMD were to produce an RX 6300, 6500, etc. At $100-$250 MSRP price points, if the market is not allowing them to be sold at MSRP pricing, but 2-3 times more expensive, that would be AMD "not being interested in selling medium range video cards anymore", when it has nothing to do with AMD.
Literally the only way that your statement could be taken.
KissSh0t
I guess in the end I did.. and miners xD
If AMD really wanted to sell medium range video cards which in my mind for the current generation would be a 6700 non "XT", 6300/6500 if they were to exist would be low/ low medium.. if the 6700 non XT is going to exist they would need to limit it's ability to mine crypto for it to have a better chance at reaching the intended target market, that is if the intended target market is not crypto miners... but hey who am I kidding AMD is selling every single chip, I honestly don't think they care who buys what, at least this is the impression I am getting from the information highlighted in this forum post.
David3k
Why all the ire brought about by this statement?
While on the short-term video cards are hard to get due to miners, at least the used graphics cards eventually end up back on the market for extremely cheap. YMMV, but I've been very lucky and most of the used cards I've gotten have actually turned out in great condition. Often more than a little dusty and/or noisy fans and/or dried paste, but that's all it takes for most of them to work fine.
It is from my understanding that in recent years most miners undervolt and downclock the hell out of their cards to lower power and heat because it barely affects hashrates, which makes sense considering the general quality of the cards I've been getting. This wasn't always the case because back in the earlier days of crypto mining, the cards from miners were almost certainly unuseable.
Scalpers on the other hand, are a different matter; may they all break out in hemorrhoids.
PS: Also, isn't CDNA far better than RDNA for crypto in general?
Silva
I'm sorry to disagree with you.
My friend RX580 died and the only thing he could get was an Nvidia. Since then he moans about drivers night and day.
Auto updates, fans turning off in games, crashes, missing the AMD driver options...
I prefer the older AMD drivers, those from 2018, but even so the current ones are way better than the BS Nvidia shoves down your throat.
Kaarme
I doubt they really care, but it's still kind of funny that the unintended side effect of cutting costs by reducing the memory bus width has made the AMD cards less attractive to miners (actually being more effective than Nvidia's PR stunt of reducing 3060's Ethereum hash rate for a couple of weeks). Too bad the miners are still so starving for cards that they will buy everything they get their greedy, sticky hands on. It would be actually quite nice for AMD if miners only bought Nvidia cards of the current generation, as it would allow AMD to capture a bigger portion of the gaming market, with people otherwise desiring an Nvidia card settling for AMD. But of course such a bizarre situation wouldn't happen.
Nekrosleezer
They just want to sell...not matter who is buying...
danny69t
AMD is a company and they sell stuff, i doubt that you would make a different decision if you were in their place.
People should stop complaining and make everything about them and be patient, or go in a cave for another year.
"AMD/Nvidia doesn't care about ME not being able to buy a GPU to play games, I'm a gamer hurr durr durr". Indeed, they don't care about YOU, they care about selling their products.
Anyone remember that untill not a long time ago (January 2021) it was the scalpers who were buying all the GPUs, now it's the miners and nobody talks about the sclapers anymore... So yeah... people like to complain about anything.... 1st world problems... Ughh... 🙄
May the patience be with you.... and maybe read a book or something.
0blivious
There are so many valid reasons to complain about this situation. Suffering the "gamers" (eyeroll) who tell us we should stop complaining about it, on a gaming parts forum of all places, is yet another valid reason.
schmidtbag
Anecdotes aren't contrarian evidence, especially when you're comparing to a GPU that had several years to mature. The thing to keep in mind if you'll find plenty of people with your friend's same (or close enough) setup and they don't face the same problems.
AMD's own developers prove how bad their drivers are. Their Linux team does a fantastic job (especially when you consider their limited resources and tiny driver size). The release issues of the 5700XT and the performance of the 6700XT is a perfect example of how their Windows driver devs are screwing things up, because the Linux devs yield better performance and more stability in less time.
All that being said, if I were primarily a Windows user, I'd rather go Nvidia. As a Linux user, AMD is the obvious choice. Nvidia's drivers are pretty much the same across platforms, but AMD's is so different.
Yxskaft
I confess that I'm not really an experienced Linux user, but do you really think that's a fair comparison? The amount of games that can break on Windows are alot more than on Linux. AFAIK raytracing still isn't supported for RDNA2 on Linux.
The thing that I think many Linux users did miss in the past was that when eg 3DMark or a game supported both OpenGL and DX10/11, they were quick to point out when OpenGL was faster on Linux, but missed that the Windows drivers typically were optimized for the DX path, which was faster on Windows than the OGL path on Linux.
CPC_RedDawn
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I pretty much agree with Linus here, which normally I can't stand this guy. But when he's right, he's right.
AMD not doing anything at all sure sounds like a bad thing but remember Radeon is tiny compared to Nvidia who are just a huge graphics company. If AMD did anything they would ultimately end up slicing into their current TSMC wafer count which is already in short supply. So it wouldn't end up benefiting gamers as there would be even less cards to buy.
Like I've said before all this is the cause of MANY different factors all happening at the same time.
schmidtbag
That actually only further solidifies my point:
The Linux drivers don't have application-specific enhancements (except in a few cases for multi-threading), and yet, whether you're running game natively built for it or you're playing the Windows version, the performance is often (not always) better in Linux. Let that sink in for a moment.
The Windows drivers have become so dependent upon these profiles that, in my opinion, it's what causes their drivers to fall so far behind and become so unstable. This is a problem for Nvidia too, but in my experience, they're faster at getting profiles available.
That is a valid point and while DX is still faster than OGL, Vulkan is faster than both.
Fox2232
Time travel session? Today is important. People on Windows use DX wrappers made for Linux to actually get higher fps on windows. Says a lot.
Only relevant issue with gaming on Linux is not that DXR is working/or not. Issue is with exotic anti-cheats that simply fail to run on linux.
While usual anti-cheats are working fine.
And other part of time travel is actual time. Since DX/Windows features are developed 1st on Windows OS, features get implemented for linux with delay.
And it will always be like that. It is same situation as if AMD decided to follow nVidia in some of their proprietary technologies. One that follows is always in disadvantage.
But linux is better OS than Windows by miles. Last time I considered Windows to be to my full liking was Windows Server 2003 in its minimalistic install.
schmidtbag
Probably won't have to wait too much longer for DXR either. Vulkan ray tracing is already available and working. Just a matter of time until the DX translation is complete. To my knowledge, it's currently under development.
But yeah, anti-cheat and built-in DRMs are the biggest obstacles. The DRMs are usually easy to evade if you just download a no-DRM crack of the game. I got about 6 of my Steam games working by using cracked binaries.
People here often complain about Valve, but I personally support them for their tremendous contributions toward Linux gaming. Epic, meanwhile, has only made things worse.
