also here: https://forums.guru3d.com/threads/ryzen-dragon-range-x3d-laptop.448775/#post-6152171

the 4090m is my very favorite Lovelace gpu i like it WAY more than the 4080 (which is the desktop equivalent) as it has more vram and the power efficiency really shines

tunejunky:

the 4090m is my very favorite Lovelace gpu i like it WAY more than the 4080 (which is the desktop equivalent) as it has more vram and the power efficiency really shines

I'm fairly sure the 4090 mobile is still limited to 16gb (unless they've released a new variant). IIRC the only laptop GPU with more vram remains the RTX 6000 / AKA the gpu used only in the Asus "Studiobook One"... a bummer too because it means the only avenue for 24gb workstation laptops is janky eGPU implementations.

SamuelL421:

I'm fairly sure the 4090 mobile is still limited to 16gb (unless they've released a new variant). IIRC the only laptop GPU with more vram remains the RTX 6000 / AKA the gpu used only in the Asus "Studiobook One"... a bummer too because it means the only avenue for 24gb workstation laptops is janky eGPU implementations.

I kinda wonder why they are going with 16 cores. Price wise, that laptop better be really amazing. 4K pounds is kinda insane for a loptop that will probably become "decent" once the next generation of cpus and gpus show up.

Catspaw:

I kinda wonder why they are going with 16 cores. Price wise, that laptop better be really amazing. 4K pounds is kinda insane for a loptop that will probably become "decent" once the next generation of cpus and gpus show up.

I've never really understood the high-end laptop market. Yeah I get it - not everyone has room for a desktop PC. Some people need a powerful PC to do their work on-the-go. But, the power draw and cost differences (to me) seem to undermine their position. What's the point of a mobile device that struggles to have a 3-hour battery life under normal use? What's the point of spending 4 grand for a job when something 1/3 the price could have 2/3 the performance? Nowadays, you can get very thin and tall PC cases to minimize desk space. Or... a fat and wide enough tower to act as a shelf.

schmidtbag:

I've never really understood the high-end laptop market. Yeah I get it - not everyone has room for a desktop PC. Some people need a powerful PC to do their work on-the-go. But, the power draw and cost differences (to me) seem to undermine their position. What's the point of a mobile device that struggles to have a 3-hour battery life under normal use? What's the point of spending 4 grand for a job when something 1/3 the price could have 2/3 the performance? Nowadays, you can get very thin and tall PC cases to minimize desk space. Or... a fat and wide enough tower to act as a shelf.

mostly true i happen to have scenarios where it's worth it - and nobody buys these for unplugged use over 3 hours - even at airports most plug these in. i happen to do a lot of long distance travel - esp. Taiwan and Japan, with "shorter" trips to N.Y. & Pennsylvania, plus i have an elderly mother and i keep an apt. near her - it's a 4 hour drive - and i keep a monitor & speakers there for my laptop. i'm the type of person who does their work in advance of travel, so when i travel i game in the down time. i've been buying gaming laptops since they were a "thing" and laptops since the days of the Osbourne 1 (which had no battery). even when the smart phones came out there was far more utility with laptops (esp as phone apps took over 10 years to be ubiquitous for business) and i have big hands so 7" and smaller screens are too difficult to do my emails, check inventories, contact vendors & clients, review contracts, etc... and then there are those who don't like the desktop form factor - the actual majority of new pc sales the last 10 years.

tunejunky:

i happen to have scenarios where it's worth it - and nobody buys these for unplugged use over 3 hours - even at airports most plug these in.

So I've noticed. Often gets me to wonder why bother with a battery, when that space could be used for better cooling.

i happen to do a lot of long distance travel - esp. Taiwan and Japan, with "shorter" trips to N.Y. & Pennsylvania, plus i have an elderly mother and i keep an apt. near her - it's a 4 hour drive - and i keep a monitor & speakers there for my laptop. i'm the type of person who does their work in advance of travel, so when i travel i game in the down time.

Since you seem to imply that you mostly just use such laptops for gaming: why not use a handheld device, and then use a dock if you want an external display with a keyboard+mouse? Or, why not just get a lower-end laptop with more practical specs and then play simpler games? Obviously, if your situation works for you and you've got the money for it - keep doing it. Who am I to tell you you're wrong?

and then there are those who don't like the desktop form factor - the actual majority of new pc sales the last 10 years.

In my experience, it's not so much that people dislike the usage of desktops, but rather, the aesthetic. People don't feel like dealing with a big block of metal with cords coming out of it, which is why it seems a lot of desktop sales lately are for AIOs and mini PCs, which tend to run mobile chips. Laptops have gained popularity in the past 10 years because only in that time frame has a budget laptop actually been worth using for the average person. The vast majority of people don't need anything better than a modern i5/R5. Due to cloud storage, web-based apps, and SaaS, there has actually been a declining need for better specs. So - it only makes intuitive sense that laptop sales are going up, when budget models are now perfectly usable to the average person. Nowdays, I'd say the only real appeal to traditional desktops is for high-end gaming or for certain productivity work. Though even then, if you do stuff like software development, rendering, or anything that is practically infinitely scalable, a HEDT isn't going to cut it; you need a legit server to crunch those numbers in a timely manner. Thanks to more affordable high-speed network connections and better competition in the server space, it's possible to get a pretty damn good server for a reasonable price.

schmidtbag:

So I've noticed. Often gets me to wonder why bother with a battery, when that space could be used for better cooling. Since you seem to imply that you mostly just use such laptops for gaming: why not use a handheld device, and then use a dock if you want an external display with a keyboard+mouse? Or, why not just get a lower-end laptop with more practical specs and then play simpler games? Obviously, if your situation works for you and you've got the money for it - keep doing it. Who am I to tell you you're wrong? In my experience, it's not so much that people dislike the usage of desktops, but rather, the aesthetic. People don't feel like dealing with a big block of metal with cords coming out of it, which is why it seems a lot of desktop sales lately are for AIOs and mini PCs, which tend to run mobile chips. Laptops have gained popularity in the past 10 years because only in that time frame has a budget laptop actually been worth using for the average person. The vast majority of people don't need anything better than a modern i5/R5. Due to cloud storage, web-based apps, and SaaS, there has actually been a declining need for better specs. So - it only makes intuitive sense that laptop sales are going up, when budget models are now perfectly usable to the average person. Nowdays, I'd say the only real appeal to traditional desktops is for high-end gaming or for certain productivity work. Though even then, if you do stuff like software development, rendering, or anything that is practically infinitely scalable, a HEDT isn't going to cut it; you need a legit server to crunch those numbers in a timely manner. Thanks to more affordable high-speed network connections and better competition in the server space, it's possible to get a pretty damn good server for a reasonable price.

didn't you notice? HEDT has been "legit server" based from the outset when Intel rebranded certain binned Xeons. and TR is so legit it's taken over most production companies in Hollywood, medium scale transcoding and rendering, and coding farms in The Valley. also there's the use of LAN's and in-house "clouds" for those who don't want to worry about service interruptions and relatively slow UL and DL from the internet with massive files - even with the fastest enterprise internet solutions which vary ISP to ISP and region to region. if everywhere was South Korea your point would be far more valid and fwiw handhelds suck by comparison, yet are a large fraction of the price of a gaming laptop - where i can be productive as well

tunejunky:

didn't you notice? HEDT has been "legit server" based from the outset when Intel rebranded certain binned Xeons. and TR is so legit it's taken over most production companies in Hollywood, medium scale transcoding and rendering, and coding farms in The Valley.

Key word there is medium scale. They're good options for workstations and small studios, because the "slowness" of having "only" 128 threads isn't likely to cause significant downtime or missed deadlines. This is especially true if (using Hollywood studios as an example) you're only planning to release 1080p, which really isn't that demanding anymore. However, we're still talking pretty low volume hardware sales, which is why AMD has (to my knowledge) only released PRO versions of their 5000 series, and Intel seemingly not really bothering to release anything noteworthy at all since I think (again maybe mistaken) 2017.

also there's the use of LAN's and in-house "clouds" for those who don't want to worry about service interruptions and relatively slow UL and DL from the internet with massive files - even with the fastest enterprise internet solutions which vary ISP to ISP and region to region. if everywhere was South Korea your point would be far more valid

That doesn't really negate my point - really what I was trying to say is if you're going to spend thousands of dollars on a money-making machine, might as well spend another 1000 or two and get a full-blown server with fewer limitations. You can still keep it at home and use it as a workstation if you really wanted to - there are Epyc and Xeon boards out there that will fit in a standard ATX case. Of course, it's never that simple. Some applications scale up better with Hz rather than threads. Some applications might not demand more RAM than what modern HEDT platforms are limited to. I'm not saying HEDT shouldn't exist, but rather, it's falling into an ever-narrowing niche. It might not seem like that to you because you're in one of the few markets where the production workload, while scalable, isn't badly bottlenecked by an HEDT platform (though maybe it would be for 8K).

and fwiw handhelds suck by comparison, yet are a large fraction of the price of a gaming laptop - where i can be productive as well

I guess the way I see it: even for a $4000 laptop, you're still compromising on visual fidelity and comfort. Personally, I find it hard enough to justify spending $1500 on a RTX 4090, so I don't know why I'd spend so much more for a "portable" device that is heavy, bulky, hot, and noisy, all for an experience that is still underwhelming. Sure, a lot of what you're paying for is some advanced engineering, but in 2 years it'll become obsolete. So, since I'm making sacrifices, I'd rather use a device that can more easily fit my carryon and with a battery life that will actually last me the whole flight. Will the graphical detail suck? Relatively speaking, yes, but most modern games on low detail are still plenty good, and I care more about whether it's actually fun. And yes, I know that doesn't address the problem of having something that can do real work. There's always exceptions.

schmidtbag:

This is especially true if (using Hollywood studios as an example) you're only planning to release 1080p, which really isn't that demanding anymore

umm, no we're talking 4k (and above) raw files used for "dailies", editing, and some post-production. even (especially) films heavy on CGI as the roughs as studio types lack the imagination to see beyond green suited actors with ping pong balls glued to them. the studios, not production companies use Epyc (Xeon is not used by any major studio anymore). the model for the vast majority of Hollywood films - whether straight to streamers or cinema release - is the production company buys the rights, develops the story, negotiates the budget, books locations (incl. on a studio lot), and shoots the film. a good number also does editing though that is usually on the studio's end (depending on contract with the director) after receiving the dailies from the production company. major special effects houses use the Epyc's (like ILM & WETA) and the studios use them for transcoding to differing formats - but only after most of the work is done on TR also TR rules animated features and i keep my laptops for 2-3 product cycles/ generations whichever comes 1st