AMD Ryzen 8000 Strix Mobile Processor Hybrid Arch Revealed: 4 Performance Cores and 8 Efficiency Cores

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i wonder if those will be the base for updated ps5 and xboxes
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asturur:

i wonder if those will be the base for updated ps5 and xboxes
No, it is another one (less expensive), i have read a post about it, but i don't remember where.
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asturur:

i wonder if those will be the base for updated ps5 and xboxes
I hope not. I believe that there is no need for a "pro" console. Imho we should leave the seek for "unnecessary" performance, resolution... to PC where it belongs.
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fredgml7:

I hope not. I believe that there is no need for a "pro" console. Imho we should leave the seek for "unnecessary" performance, resolution... to PC where it belongs.
I think the new console should be more reliable, cheaper to manufacture and more efficient. Like the PS Slim versions were back in the day. These PRO versions to feed on consumer money offer what? More power consumption, bigger size, more complex to build, more expensive and offer what? Some studios are still trying to produce 30FPS games and justifying their inability to optimize the games they develop. Ya, increase of performance should be PC focused, consoles should be locked in the day they release until there is a new one.
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This is very, very disappointing to read. I had really hoped AMD would avoid going down the heterogeneous core rabbit hole.
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E-core with SMT. Interesting. IIRC they said that they are not interested in hyrid architecture long ago, backpedaling, eh?
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Man... talking about Energy Efficient... that today AMD is smashing Intel... and about IGP performance... this future chips can be a little monster right? Will shake the mobile market...
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Considering AMD is already doing well with efficiency and (from what I recall) already has smaller cores than Intel's P cores, they must have got a really substantial improvement if this is to be justified. Though really... what they need is to improve their idle efficiency more than their load efficiency, which a heterogeneous architecture isn't going to help much with.
fredgml7:

I believe that there is no need for a "pro" console. Imho we should leave the seek for "unnecessary" performance, resolution... to PC where it belongs.
I sort-of disagree. While it's unlikely for a console to be affordable and attain 4K detail with good performance, there is definitely a market for it. For those who don't care, having a budget console that can readily play at 1080p is nice to have too.
Gomez Addams:

This is very, very disappointing to read. I had really hoped AMD would avoid going down the heterogeneous core rabbit hole.
This was inevitable for socket AM5. I think AMD would be making a very poor decision if their highest-end desktop chip has fewer than 16 P-cores, but otherwise I think this is fine.
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Gomez Addams:

This is very, very disappointing to read. I had really hoped AMD would avoid going down the heterogeneous core rabbit hole.
As far as I know, Zen4c (E-core) are just the same as regular Zen4 but whit less cache and slower clocks, what makes it even smaller serving as an "E-core". I believe Zen5 will be something similar.
schmidtbag:

I sort-of disagree. While it's unlikely for a console to be affordable and attain 4K detail with good performance, there is definitely a market for it. For those who don't care, having a budget console that can readily play at 1080p is nice to have too.
It is not actually a big deal now. But I think that PC Master Race mindset applied to consoles will end up destroying them in the future.
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I just hope desktop zen5 wont use hybrid design. Let it stay in mobile.
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fredgml7:

It is not actually a big deal now. But I think that PC Master Race mindset applied to consoles will end up destroying it in the future.
Not necessarily. Remember: console players are used to 30FPS and lower detail levels overall. Games on consoles are also significantly better optimized. So, having a system that is affordable, quiet, and 4K-ready for AAA titles is very much possible. And since the systems can still offer budget 1080p options, there's really no loss in the end. The only really concerning thing is disk space. Games are getting really big, really fast, and storage costs just aren't keeping up.
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Gomez Addams:

This is very, very disappointing to read. I had really hoped AMD would avoid going down the heterogeneous core rabbit hole.
Ivrogne:

E-core with SMT. Interesting. IIRC they said that they are not interested in hyrid architecture long ago, backpedaling, eh?
to be fair its not really the same as what intel is doing, amd is using their zen c cores, which are basically just cache reduced and higher density , but otherwise support exactly the same functionality and is the same architecture, unlike intel's E-cores. Its more like an asymmetrical design rather than truly heterogeneous
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user1:

to be fair its not really the same as what intel is doing, amd is using their zen c cores, which are basically just cache reduced and higher density , but otherwise support exactly the same functionality and is the same architecture, unlike intel's E-cores. Its more like an asymmetrical design rather than truly heterogeneous
I was going to write this but you beat me to it!
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Gomez Addams:

This is very, very disappointing to read. I had really hoped AMD would avoid going down the heterogeneous core rabbit hole.
I think the same, this e-cores feel more like a marketing stunt than anything else. My 7700X usage rarely goes above 20%...
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schmidtbag:

Not necessarily. Remember: console players are used to 30FPS and lower detail levels overall. Games on consoles are also significantly better optimized. So, having a system that is affordable, quiet, and 4K-ready for AAA titles is very much possible. And since the systems can still offer budget 1080p options, there's really no loss in the end. The only really concerning thing is disk space. Games are getting really big, really fast, and storage costs just aren't keeping up.
Take a look at this: [youtube=puDQ0IzealM] Very interesting point of view.
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Reliable word is that these images are are doctored, or faked using CPUID writing.
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these cpus will be zen 4, because zen 5 is supposed to have 2 or maybe more megabytes of L2.