Maybe this time they will prove the haters they are wrong? And Vega a failure? No way Jose, it's just that the price isn't right and that has to do with a currency thingy, what was that called? Anyway haters gonna hate....... Don't wish AMD to do well, and enjoy your inflated prices for envydia and minimal increase in performance year on year..... I think intelligence is not going to be a defining characteristic for humanity not far from now.

Cool story bro , hey AMD how about you learn to make propper driver's ever since VEGA came out all drivers that came out after that are garbage(rx 480 user here) i am stuck on 1.7.7.1 becouse it's the only driver that's "new" and won't crash in overwatch or wierd artefacting in other game's. PS: let the idiot "wait for navi" hype train begin(tho i dou't VEGA is to much of a fail for people to fail for it again.

Aaaaaaaand the miners have them all /southpark

Seikon:

Cool story bro , hey AMD how about you learn to make propper driver's ever since VEGA came out all drivers that came out after that are garbage(rx 480 user here) i am stuck on 1.7.7.1 becouse it's the only driver that's "new" and won't crash in overwatch or wierd artefacting in other game's. PS: let the idiot "wait for navi" hype train begin(tho i dou't VEGA is to much of a fail for people to fail for it again.

They still haven't fixed the Overwatch crash? Kind of crazy to me to have a bug like that in such a widely popular game.

george1976:

Maybe this time they will prove the haters they are wrong? And Vega a failure? No way Jose, it's just that the price isn't right and that has to do with a currency thingy, what was that called? Anyway haters gonna hate....... Don't wish AMD to do well, and enjoy your inflated prices for envydia and minimal increase in performance year on year..... I think intelligence is not going to be a defining characteristic for humanity not far from now.

You sound like a total AMD fanboy. Minimal increases? Pascal has brought a 50% increase around comparative cards to last gen. That's minimal? lol NV has fair prices and brings much more to the table than AMD has for years. Vega is a total failure at this point considering prices all around and 64 is more expensive than Ti while getting destroyed by them. In fact, if you plot prices over the years, NV has gotten cheaper with every new release. The only hater here is you, insulting the intelligence of people who buy NV when clearly it's a smarter buy. Get your head out of your ass

1) this is all pure speculation from one unverified source. 2) AMD has real technology and some competitive advantages... just not for gaming. 3) Nvidia can afford to coast a bit because regardless of what AMD has and when they release it, Nvidia has vastly greater market share and penetration. 4) AMD must prove to AIB manufacturers that they can scale up gpu production enough for AIB's to up their board manufacture. 5) and foremost above all there must be a great enough supply of gpus to sate all the miners and have enough on shelves. so even if Navi totally wrecks Volta (remains to be seen) Nvidia is fine.

Vess:

amd is a joke ; ) after a long wait for their Vega cards; we saw what happened. lower performance-higher price against green team

most likely be out of business soon

nattefrost:

most likely be out of business soon

Yeah the stock is only up 21% for the year, totally be out of business soon o_O With that said I certainly would not recommend Vega its simply to power hungry for gaming. Course the same manufacturing process is used for Vega and Zen, that Gloflo process is not made for high clocks so its holding back both products(max clocks on Zen and power on Vega). The 7nm process should fix those issues but I do not have much hope for that occurring in 2018, really we should all be assuming 2019 for both Zen 2 and Navi on 7nm.

Agent-A01:

You sound like a total AMD fanboy. NV has fair prices and brings much more to the table than AMD has for years.

_______________________________________________________________ lol, Sorry, I was speechless because I almost choked while laughing. "Fair price", lol, and have the courage to call the other "fanboy" or "hater", lol, fair, there are people who believe in goblins,

Now the big leap of faith. As people say 'wait for Navi'.

JamesSneed:

Yeah the stock is only up 21% for the year, totally be out of business soon o_O With that said I certainly would not recommend Vega its simply to power hungry for gaming. Course the same manufacturing process is used for Vega and Zen, that Gloflo process is not made for high clocks so its holding back both products(max clocks on Zen and power on Vega). The 7nm process should fix those issues but I do not have much hope for that occurring in 2018, really we should all be assuming 2019 for both Zen 2 and Navi on 7nm.

You are right AMD Gaming GPUs is not going out of business anytime soon...IF his sells lifeline (miners) continues to buy his production. AMD GPU dep (RTG) can be sold because it was split from AMD core two years ago. Old news for some: AMD spent years integrating ATI into his corp after buying it in 2006. In late 2015 it splinted it into RTG. http://fortune.com/2015/09/09/amd-graphics-chip-split/

AMD splits out its graphics chips into the Radeon Technology Group An analyst believes this may be the first sign of a split. By Stacey Higginbotham Sep 9th, 2015 5:10 PM ET AMD has effectively split its graphics chip unit into a separate business internally called Radeon Technology Group on Wednesday, nine years after it bought its way into the graphics processor business with the purchase of ATI in 2006. The move has no impact on its financials. The company’s CEO Lisa Su said the move was made to let the graphics division focus on gaming and virtual reality opportunities, but it seems more likely that AMD is trying to prepare for some kind of internal spin out of its graphics business. The new group would be led by Raja Koduri who would be promoted to senior VP and chief architect. Koduri will report to Su and would oversee all of the chips used in AMD’s graphics cards, semi-custom and GPU compute products, as well as the specialty chips that AMD (AMD, +1.81%) makes that combine graphics and CPU functions. In a press release highlighting the move Su said, “With the creation of the Radeon Technologies Group we are putting in place a more agile, vertically-integrated graphics organization focused on solidifying our position as the graphics industry leader, recapturing profitable share across traditional graphics markets, and staking leadership positions in new markets such as virtual and augmented reality.” What is missing from the release is any mention of artificial intelligence, which is where AMD’s graphics rival Nvidia is spending a lot of energy and investment, and where many investors feel that there is a huge opportunity. Also missing is a sense of how this split may play into rumors of a reported break up of AMD’s business that have been swirling around the company for a few months. “You could view this as a precursor to something else,” said Kevin Krewell, principal analyst with Tiras Research. “But it would be hard to pull the graphics and the CPU divisions apart.” Krewell says that plenty of interested private equity firms and other potential investors have inquired about splitting AMD’s technology, but it’s a complex undertaking given that AMD’s license to produce server chips is hugely valuable, but is granted by Intel, which doesn’t have to offer a buyer the same rights as AMD has today. Meanwhile, the graphics division is one of only two players in the high-end graphics markets, with Nvidia being the only other alternative.

Last month his boss (Koduri) went on "vacation" after VEGA "success". Make your own conclusions...

george1976:

...the price isn't right and that has to do with a currency thingy, what was that called? ....I think intelligence is not going to be a defining characteristic for humanity not far from now.

Lol you got that right bud... Have you ever even taken an economics class? Assuming you were born in 1976 I would think a 40 year old would know a think or two about foreign exchange and currency hedging. Then again I am continually amazed at the lack of knowledge regarding basic economics and business practices by posters on this and other tech sites. This isn't all directed at you, but if I got a nickle every time I heard someone say "milking" and gave a nickle every time I heard "inelastic demand" I'd be a very rich man.

WalterDasTrevas:

_______________________________________________________________ lol, Sorry, I was speechless because I almost choked while laughing. "Fair price", lol, and have the courage to call the other "fanboy" or "hater", lol, fair, there are people who believe in goblins,

Fair considering what you get, especially compared to back in the day. 8800Ultra 900 USD today. 6800ultra 800+ usd. Etc. Compared to Rx64, the 1080ti is a great deal. 1080Ti is even better than RX56 for perf/$. 1080 is also a good bit better than RX56 for perf/$ If you think NV is bad, AMD must be stealing money from children lol

BinaryDemon:

AMD should probably do this for their current GPU's anyway. 🙂

The opensource linux opengl driver is performing better and with less overhead than the official windows opengl driver from AMD. This is a shame for the driver team I really don't know why focusing on newer architecture if we are still bottlenecked by this crappy driver.

Not going to happen. Navi is a 2019 part, as 7nm would be too risky early on (yield issues are likely). Besides, Vega needs to be squared away first, and that includes not just drivers, but also Vega 11 and Vega 20 ("12nm"). Vega in fixed-function (native) geometry mode is 4 primitives/clock (pretty much every benchmark showing Vega's current performance), but is up to 17 primitives/clock in NGG fast path mode. AMD made their new geometry engine flexible and fully-programmable. DSBR is only worth about 10%. NGG is where the real performance in Vega lies. I find that pretty interesting as a Vega64 owner. Power consumption is less of an issue with undervolting, but it's still a hungry GPU. There's no denying that.

Edit: Nvm, misread.

Not impossible, though more likely to be at the end of 2018 if at all. I Wonder if amd is speedlining a navi gpu for risk production of a high end accelerator, much like the v100.

Lol! So basically 2 new gpu releases in 9 months??? Vega 12nm then Navi. If that's the case then they will have to start a fabric some of those Navi GPU's already given the long time it took for Vega. There is just no way this is happening so don't keep your hopes up people. Besides Nvidia most probably have Volta ready by now and just waiting on AMD to make a move so they will drop the Volta bomb. At this point AMD must just scrap the whole idea of 7nm and HMB2. Skip Vega 12nm. Go for Navi in 12nm with the fastest DDR5X and call it a day. 9 months is more than enough to pull that off and 12nm will be ready.

I can't understand how AMD is the one that is in need of money, but they want to be on the cutting edge of technology while Nvidia takes a step back and use stuff that is already refined i.e. DDR5X and 16nm. No wonder they make all the deadlines and the money, as they don't have to put as much into rnd as AMD.

prazola:

Meanwhile can you please rewrite your drivers from scratch? Ty.

Use Linux - their drivers are basically a complete re-write. As long as you don't immediately need Vulkan or OpenCL support, it's a pretty great experience. The drivers are improving upon performance on pretty much a monthly basis, and despite having no application profiles, the overall performance is almost on-par with Windows. Sometimes they outperform Windows. It won't be long until the performance is fully matched or exceeded. Since the drivers are open-source, they have been ported Windows, though I don't really know much other than "it can be done".

RedSquirrel:

Aaaaaaaand the miners have them all /southpark

By the time they're released, I don't think mining is going to be so popular anymore. There will still be some who may buy dozens at a time, but I don't think it's going to cause a price inflation issue.

RooiKreef:

I can't understand how AMD is the one that is in need of money, but they want to be on the cutting edge of technology while Nvidia takes a step back and use stuff that is already refined i.e. DDR5X and 16nm. No wonder they make all the deadlines and the money, as they don't have to put as much into rnd as AMD.

I'm not sure you fully understand what the situation is. Nvidia has had moments where they "took a step back", as had AMD. Nvidia has had moments where they pump oodles of cash into R&D, as had AMD. They work on new generations of products on a different schedule, so when one company is ahead, the other seems very behind, but not for long. To my understanding, Nvidia is not taking a step back right now - Volta seems to be a pretty big deal, but Nvidia has so much more disposable income that it seems like they're not really trying hard. They're trying plenty hard, and unlike Intel, Nvidia actually earns (arguably, deserves) their success. Contrary to what people here want to believe, AMD GPUs are pretty good, they're just underwhelming for gaming purposes and they don't scale very well. In other words, Nvidia has legitimate competition, but their gaming performance and CUDA are primarily what gives them an edge. Nvidia has a reason to try hard, but, they could relax a bit if they really wanted. As for GDDR5 and 16nm, Nvidia probably deemed the performance/efficiency increase wasn't worth the extra cost. For AMD, their primary goal seems to be to get their name out there and sell as much as possible, even if it means minimizing profits, so spending extra is worth it to them. Nvidia is in a position where, as you can see from this forum thread, people will buy them just due to disliking AMD. They don't need to get the best, they just need to be noticeably better than AMD. Also, to my recollection Nvidia is using HBM, just not for all their GPUs.