EPYC is where money at. Threadripper is just for kids to play with cores.

sverek:

EPYC is where money at. Threadripper is just for kids to play with cores.

Ryzen is for kids. Threadripper is for real men 😉

Agonist:

Yea sure thing. If that was the case, you wouldnt have a Ryzen rig and over pay for intel.

Sadly it is the case in a lot of country: it take me nearly a year to get Athlon GE 200 + B450 motherboard !!! And now that i want to change my 2nd computer for a Ryzen 3*00 + X570 motherboard i will run with the same problem (right now both unaviable)... If i would want Intel / NVidia product it would have take 15min, just going down the street and come back (BTW the owner of the shop have the same problem with AMD himself for his own computer). I said it since a long time the biggest problem with AMD is that they chose the main target country and doesn't care about other... adding to it that they have few stock and you get in this crappy distibution. I sincerely hope it will change in the future.

nizzen:

Ryzen is for kids. Threadripper is for real men 😉

wasn't TR more for rich kid lol

What a Disappointment , I was looking forward to see the performace of the flagship CPU from AMD .

rl66:

wasn't TR more for rich kid lol

No, rich kids don't need it. Real men work for they're money. Good investments (TR) makes more money 😀 That's what it is for 🙂

AMD has been selling allot of chips [spoiler]https://i.imgur.com/QXeCZO9.png [/spoiler] I think it's normal, being TSMC the only fab making 7nm, that production is limited. Plus, Apple makes the Iphone CPU at TSMC too.

Kaarme:

They don't have their own fab anymore. Furthermore, GlobalFoundries suddenly decided they don't want to compete anymore and is thus out of the question. TSMC is stressed by AMD, Nvidia, and too many phone manufacturers, including Apple. There's absolutely nothing AMD can do about the situation anymore, unfortunately. It's too bad they almost went under and had to let go of GF.

Honestly dropping GF, which allowed them to shop the manufacturing out, is probably the best thing AMD did. I think that's regardless to AMD's economic status at the time.

slicer:

I have not. And suddenly everybody needing the 7nm stuff is BS. TSMC has a contract with AMD to deliver certain amount of chips in a month. And this has beeen pre defined already. So there is definetly more going on that "shortage", because of other players wanting in on 7nm. 7nm has been basically on full blast on January of 2019. 7nm was production ready 2018 October. it is basically 1 year old tech by now and yelds are so much better, so there is plent yto go around. AMD is just not prioritizing consumer market. All the 7nm goodies are going for server platform and that includes 7nm Instinct GPU's.

The entire point is that the demand for 7nm raises the cost of that contract so AMD can't purchase enough. Also TSMC itself said D0 for 7nm won't be equal to 16nm until the end of this year. So the yields are currently worse and have been especially during ramp: https://fuse.wikichip.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/07/vlsi-2019-tsmc-n7-yield-2.jpg

nizzen:

No, rich kids don't need it. Real men work for they're money. Good investments (TR) makes more money 😀 That's what it is for 🙂

Good investment is on the cloud, secured. Not in your basement waiting for the disaster 😀

I think you guys rambling about the two top end CPUs of the line are either in low availability or in a 2nd case delayed a month are absolute minority of the customer base. Basic Ryzen 3k is for gaming mostly, and there, you can buy a overkill cpu already with 8c/16t with 4,5ghz boost its called 3800x. Avarage gamers will buy 3600 non x. Ofc in a web site like Guru3d it may appear "ppl are waiting" but honestly, its not the case. Ppl who want 3k ryzen in 95% of case have it, or can buy it.

Denial:

Honestly dropping GF, which allowed them to shop the manufacturing out, is probably the best thing AMD did. I think that's regardless to AMD's economic status at the time.

That's impossible to know. If AMD had been strong, it's possible they could have developed GF like TSMC kept going, and Intel's fabs (despite Intel's apparent problems with 10nm). But AMD had a chronic lack of money. In the end AMD has made plenty of semiconductor innovations over the years, alone or together with partners, so nothing says GF would have been doomed in any case if things had gone differently. Intel and Samsung have been quite happy and lucky with their own fabs. Nvidia always relied on others, but Nvidia's history is quite different.

Nothing unexpected, it was crystal clear from the beginning that a successful launch would have caused shortages almost immediately. TSMC was under capacity in 1H19 due to many factors: Apple slumped sales which resulted in less orders (which probably gave a little more overcapacity to AMD, now it's gone), horrible manufacturing issues ("multiple issues in the past six months, including malware infections, the contamination of foundry processing chemicals that destroyed a significant number of wafers"), general semi industry slowdown (Trump's trade wars). There's not Intel in the bunch but almost all hi-perf mobile SoC is made today with TSMC 7 process: Apple, Qualcomm, Mediatk, Hisilicon. Now here's where it gets ugly and probably uglier in the very next future. There I suspect (but I hope not) TSMC made another possible mistake. Having yields issues and not enough orders in 2018 they started working and planning more on the 5 than 7/7c/7+ with volumes for 2020. It does make sense in theory, why not? Let's shrink it again and finally use EUV like hotcakes! Better is better. Well not really because they need the customers to have a good design that works at 5. Otherwise it's going to start under load capacity and all the 7 will be under stress. At this very moment AMD should be ramping up the 4xxx series with 7+ and EUV. Is this happening? I'm not sure about that, bit worried about it. Didn't see any press statement bragging about the higher than expected yields from a major firm as usual in the past. Check the conservative forecasts here: https://www.extremetech.com/computing/278742-tsmc-announces-first-euv-7nm-risk-production-5nm-tapeouts-in-q2-2019 It's anything official but it's well known the 7/7c processes will have less capacity next year. The plan is to shift a huge part of the production to 7+/5 and reduce the throughput of 7/7c. To avoid shortages in the next 2 years will be crucial they get working designs and be able to produce good yields. Doesn't happen often, quite the opposite. Everyone suffered setbacks and delays with EUV and so far only Samsung made tangible progress with good results. For TSMC it's almost a green field, the 7c process seems more a dry run for the real thing with 7+. There are so many things that can go wrong, like a catastrophic event in Tokyo's area which could delay EUV tools for months. Or another employee plugging in a ransomware infected USB stick.... https://www.extremetech.com/computing/284456-tsmc-weak-2019-demand-but-5nm-set-for-2020-volume-manufacturing https://www.extremetech.com/computing/274874-tsmc-coming-back-online-after-major-virus-issues https://www.extremetech.com/computing/288917-report-tsmc-7nm-utilization-improves-on-orders-from-amd-hisilicon

Kaarme:

That's impossible to know. If AMD had been strong, it's possible they could have developed GF like TSMC kept going, and Intel's fabs (despite Intel's apparent problems with 10nm). But AMD had a chronic lack of money. In the end AMD has made plenty of semiconductor innovations over the years, alone or together with partners, so nothing says GF would have been doomed in any case if things had gone differently. Intel and Samsung have been quite happy and lucky with their own fabs. Nvidia always relied on others, but Nvidia's history is quite different.

Agree with this. I think the separation was due to trying to survive financially so they spun off their most expensive (but likely also costliest to maintain) parts to whoever would buy them (looking at Qualcomm Adreno...). GF has had a bit of a bad rap since AMD went 7nm with TSMC but actually they are doing some interesting innovations at 16-12nm with IBM and also new ARM chip design. Mubadala are making their canary sing a different tune to their success it seems.

Fender178:

Jayztwocents has an MSI x570 board which is giving him CPU errors and he had to go through like 10 power cycles to get it to POST and boot windows.

Pre-production with production bios update bricked it. Had nothing to do with AMD or MSI production products.

Aura89:

Pre-production with production bios update bricked it. Had nothing to do with AMD or MSI production products.

I was going to post something about this but forgot to. Thanks for reminding me. Very true. It is still MSI's fault for not saying what kind of board was it though. I watched Jay's 2nd video on this and he mentioned his mistake. However MSI should have said from the get go that this was a Pre-production board and not a retail board. Yeah Jay should have asked MSI if the board they sent out was a pre-production board. I feel like alot of tech-youtubers should get the retail version of the boards so they can test this stuff to tell us consumers about it before we purchase it and not this pre-production nonsense.

Fender178:

I was going to post something about this but forgot to. Thanks for reminding me. Very true. It is still MSI's fault for not saying what kind of board was it though. I watched Jay's 2nd video on this and he mentioned his mistake. However MSI should have said from the get go that this was a Pre-production board and not a retail board. Yeah Jay should have asked MSI if the board they sent out was a pre-production board. I feel like alot of tech-youtubers should get the retail version of the boards so they can test this stuff to tell us consumers about it before we purchase it and not this pre-production nonsense.

Personally i had an issue with the original video simply because his board bricked, which happens more often then people think during BIOS updates, and blamed it on AMD. Even blaming it on MSI, without knowing 100% the reason the BIOS bricked the board is not exactly fair. I had 4 of the same motherboard once, all the same revisions, all came with the same BIOS, all had the same CPUs and RAM. 3 of 4 updated, no issues, 4th one bricked. I don't know why it bricked, and when it got replaced, bios update worked fine. Could something have not been working 100% fine with that 4th board that had no issue until the bios update? I don't know. So who would i blame it on? CPU manufacturer? Motherboard manufacturer? Or the lottery of electronics? Personally i'd go with the lottery of electronics, for the same reason as buying something that is DOA, doesn't necessarily mean the product or company who makes it are bad, DOA happens.

So this 7nm shortage story is BS. Like I have said many times before. They are making enough of them, but they are not making them for Gamers as we are street-rats compared to those people who are paying 5x the money for server chip. Why sell it less for us. Just enough to make us want more. And today this news comes up: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-delayed-ryzen-9-3950x-launch-due-to-unsatisfactory-clock-speeds.html So yeah. This 7nm shortage is BS. Just typical AMD problems. Like I said earlier. AMD overpromised and underdelivered.

slicer:

So this 7nm shortage story is BS. Like I have said many times before. They are making enough of them, but they are not making them for Gamers as we are street-rats compared to those people who are paying 5x the money for server chip. Why sell it less for us. Just enough to make us want more. And today this news comes up: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-delayed-ryzen-9-3950x-launch-due-to-unsatisfactory-clock-speeds.html So yeah. This 7nm shortage is BS. Just typical AMD problems. Like I said earlier. AMD overpromised and underdelivered.

If there is no shortage of processors why wouldn't they just make enough to serve both markets? What you're describing is literally a shortage lol

slicer:

So this 7nm shortage story is BS. Like I have said many times before. They are making enough of them, but they are not making them for Gamers as we are street-rats compared to those people who are paying 5x the money for server chip. Why sell it less for us. Just enough to make us want more. And today this news comes up: https://www.guru3d.com/news-story/amd-delayed-ryzen-9-3950x-launch-due-to-unsatisfactory-clock-speeds.html So yeah. This 7nm shortage is BS. Just typical AMD problems. Like I said earlier. AMD overpromised and underdelivered.

That's precisely what a shortage would imply - not enough chips for both markets so they prioritize the one with higher margins. This is precisely what Intel did when they encountered shortages.

D3M1G0D:

That's precisely what a shortage would imply - not enough chips for both markets so they prioritize the one with higher margins. This is precisely what Intel did when they encountered shortages.

This artificial shortage has been ATI/AMD's mmo since the dawn of time. I can't remember a time when AMD's GPU's or CPU's were so readily available compared to Intel/Nvidia (exc. the Intel cpu shortage earlier this year). It seems like AMD does not want to overproduce their products as they are not confident enought they will be bought up. I guess overproducing Vega cards is still fesh in their minds.