Alleged Intel 12th Generation Core Pricing Leaked; i9-12900K to cost 741€

#5943308

Kool64

2021-09-02 15:12

and you still can't get a decent video card for it so who cares.(sans the mega multitaskers i guess)

#5943310

GSDragoon

2021-09-02 15:23

Picolete:

Now a day not, but i remember a couple of years ago when 6 and 8 core CPU were in the thousands

A couple years ago I got a 12 core 24 thread CPU for $500 (3900x). Given the current market, these will sell out. Intel knows that and we all know that too.

#5943311

asturur

2021-09-02 15:26

richto:

Have we seen benchmarks then? Intel is still best for IPC and therefore FPS on many games.

THis is true, if you really depends on that extra few FPS you can buy this. That does not make the price a great marketing strategy. A lot of people jumped on the zen+/zen2 bandwagon when they were cheap, and they can play just fine. You can't base pricing only on the few people that really want those extra FPS, also in all the test where the margin is more than 2fps we are in the range of 200+ fps.

#5943314

Silva

2021-09-02 15:37

741€ for an 8 core CPU, what drugs are they on? Ryzen 5950X costs 793€ at a shop close to me. Or 399€ for the 5800X... Even the six core part is 365€, I can get 5600X for just 294€! And I though the Ryzen 5000 price was BS, but Intel makes it look like a bargain now!

#5943323

mackintosh

2021-09-02 15:51

The 12900K isn't meant to be a gaming CPU any more than the 5950X is. I mean no one should be getting either for gaming, that's just bizarre. Assuming the performance leaks are accurate, it's basically an entry level HEDT part, like the 5950X is now.

#5943324

schmidtbag

2021-09-02 15:51

Silva:

741€ for an 8 core CPU, what drugs are they on? Ryzen 5950X costs 793€ at a shop close to me. Or 399€ for the 5800X... Even the six core part is 365€, I can get 5600X for just 294€! And I though the Ryzen 5000 price was BS, but Intel makes it look like a bargain now!

Not really an apples to apples comparison. You're getting 4 little cores too. Sure, they're not going to contribute much toward things like games, but it's not like you need 8c/16t for gaming either. I figure (on average) each little core is twice as good as a logical thread and half as good as a complete core. I assume 2 little cores can compensate for 1 big core. So, it's probably best to think of the 12600K as an 8-core model and the 12700K as a 10 core. In this perspective, the 12600K isn't such a bad value, though the 12700K still is.

#5943332

PPC

2021-09-02 16:16

For us with "cheap seat tickets" whats the point of efficiency cores on a desktop computer? Will they at least give a boost to performance cores or just a waste of silicon?

#5943333

insp1re2600

2021-09-02 16:21

DannyD:

Yeah, it'll go great with my $2000 gpu.

rockerfella over here

#5943335

Denpepe

2021-09-02 16:21

schmidtbag:

Not really an apples to apples comparison. You're getting 4 little cores too

Actually 8 little cores on the 12900K, it's a 16 core 24 thread CPU. The 12700K has 4 little ones I think

#5943337

DannyD

2021-09-02 16:21

insp1re2600:

rockerfella over here

hehe

#5943342

schmidtbag

2021-09-02 16:23

Denpepe:

Actually 8 little cores on the 12900K, it's a 16 core 24 thread CPU. The 12700K has 4 little ones I think

Right, I was referring to the 12700K, and 12600K. The 12900K is obviously overpriced, but so is the 12700K.

#5943350

Kaarme

2021-09-02 16:47

richto:

Have we seen benchmarks then? Intel is still best for IPC and therefore FPS on many games.

Intel hasn't been the best for IPC ever since Ryzen appeared. Intel has just been beating AMD, whenever it managed to do that, through sheer clocks. Intel CPUs are regularly clocking over 5 GHz now, with quite high all-core as well (consequently with high temps), whereas AMD has found it more painful to reach 5GHz. However, due to better IPC, AMD's CPUs compete with Intel's even with lower clocks. Nobody knows the 12th gen Intel benchmarks yet. Unless you trust the so called leaks.

#5943352

Mineria

2021-09-02 16:51

DannyD:

Yeah, it'll go great with my $2000 gpu.

2 grand for a 2080S? Or you got a newer GPU?

#5943354

waltc3

2021-09-02 16:53

DannyD:

Pretty decent, prolly gonna go for one of these before year's end.

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting...;) I've always wondered when hearing about these low-powered cores (with Apple and Intel, now), that are not as strong as the main cores in the CPU, if we weren't just looking at a slightly different form of SMT organization--or "HT" in Intel parlance. So that 8 +4 would actually have every pair of main cores feeding/sharing one SMT core for extra processing. Just a thought. Going to be interesting to test! Until then, it's vaporware rumor, as usual this year.

#5943356

cucaulay malkin

2021-09-02 16:57

too much for me. not even the i5

#5943357

DannyD

2021-09-02 17:00

Mineria:

2 grand for a 2080S? Or you got a newer GPU?

Just having fun with insp1re.

waltc3:

I wouldn't hold your breath waiting...;) I've always wondered when hearing about these low-powered cores (with Apple and Intel, now), that are not as strong as the main cores in the CPU, if we weren't just looking at a slightly different form of SMT organization--or "HT" in Intel parlance. So that 8 +4 would actually have every pair of main cores feeding/sharing one SMT core for extra processing. Just a thought. Going to be interesting to test! Until then, it's vaporware rumor, as usual this year.

I wasn't impressed when i first heard about it but now seeing the basic layout i'm quite happy about a purchase. ( i5 probably ) I've a gen4 nvme and also like the gen4 cards, want to try ReBar too.

#5943369

tunejunky

2021-09-02 17:14

IMHO, Intel should've kept Big/Little just for mobile, where it matters more. but my real take is that they're having yield issues and little cores are just higher yield. remember this is a new node for volume production. the price is ridiculous, the target audience is dubious, and AMD will continue to eat the lunch of Intel for the enthusiast market. the mass market is an entirely different beast where OEM rules, even there AMD has increased unit sales at Intel's expense, but the gulf is still wide.

#5943379

insp1re2600

2021-09-02 17:48

DannyD:

Just having fun with insp1re. I wasn't impressed when i first heard about it but now seeing the basic layout i'm quite happy about a purchase. ( i5 probably ) I've a gen4 nvme and also like the gen4 cards, want to try ReBar too.

that’s ok you can buy my 3090 for 3000 if you’re struggling to get one and feeling flush

#5943390

MaCk0y

2021-09-02 18:04

Horus-Anhur:

Those prices are really high.

Add another 2% to the VAT for Portugal. Ouch. 😛

#5943398

Mineria

2021-09-02 18:16

tunejunky:

IMHO, Intel should've kept Big/Little just for mobile, where it matters more. but my real take is that they're having yield issues and little cores are just higher yield. remember this is a new node for volume production. the price is ridiculous, the target audience is dubious, and AMD will continue to eat the lunch of Intel for the enthusiast market. the mass market is an entirely different beast where OEM rules, even there AMD has increased unit sales at Intel's expense, but the gulf is still wide.

CEC would like to have a word with you 😀 Appliance Efficiency Regulations - Title 20 (ca.gov)