Intel 13th Gen Core Raptor Lake-S range leaks 4 to 24 cores on three separate dies (updated)
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Nice argument. If we run tests that don't stress the CPU, then P-Cores an E-Cores are equal.
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can't wait for discounted 12700kf's to appear around 350eur, throw in my 4133 c16 kit on z690 pro-a and two more nvme's
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There are large architectural differences between P and E cores, from the ones you mention in your comment, to the width of the front end, to register sizes. Intel has made all of these details very public.
The entire reason for the existence of 10+ watt per core "P-cores" is to maintain a competitive edge. If Intel came out and said "our processors now use 1/2 the power but are only 2/3 as fast as AMD's," nobody in the consumer space would buy the processor π. Manufacturers are forced to push clock speeds and process nodes further and further away from peak efficiency in order to maintain a competitive edge. The "sweet spot" on any current process node's performance-power ratio is between 3 and 4 GHz, yet manufacturers have to push past 5GHz to secure their status as "the fastest." Consumers have been misled to believe that you need a very powerful processor for mundane tasks, to the point of absurdity π.
In terms of E-cores being "over-hyped," Intel's most recent Xeon segment roadmaps show all E-core processors by 2024. Moreover, AMD has announced plans for "Zen 4c" all E-core processors to parallel Bergamo in 2023 and 2024. In terms of high performance, highly parallel, energy efficient compute, both AMD and Intel see E-cores as the way forward.
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can easily run into the millions of dollars for licensing on high-core-count systems π±. Even Windows Server is licensed per core; Microsoft thinks the Windows Server 2022 Datacenter installation I run on my 64 core machine should cost over $25,000 because it is licensed on a per core basis. This is a big reason that Intel and AMD are both planning both P-core and E-core server processors (licensing fewer, more powerful cores is relatively a better deal).
Intel isn't having any trouble in the server market though, despite topping out at 56 cores per socket, and it would be a huge stretch to say AMD is dominating in any enterprise segment. I'm sure Intel is perfectly comfortable with 90% market share, which doesn't show any sign of changing π.
Intel has announced they are now perfectly happy to use glue π. Sapphire Rapids (the upcoming server CPU) has four dies on a substrate, plus four HBM dies. Intel's newest roadmap says they are moving towards an SOC-style multi-chip-module architecture with an IO die (like AMD has now).
Especially in the enterprise segment, Intel doesn't have to compete on core count (and many customers wouldn't want them to in the first place). Enterprise-grade software is licensed per-core, and licensing costs can be in the millions for big database software. OracleDB Minjin13
With the leaking of Intel's 13th Raptor Lake generation CPU lineup leaked/revealed, does that mean Intel has abandoned or consolidated their HEDT lineup into the commercial lineup? Intel last launched an HEDT CPU in 2019 with 10th gen Cascade-Lake-X.
TheDigitalJedi
From reading some of the post in this thread and from what information I've gathered from tech journals, it seems the 13th gen was designed more for business. It will do well with games with the nice overclock boost but the emphasis on E cores demonstrates a focus on multitasking and multi-threaded task. In my line of work this is essential to us for efficiency. Sometimes I must retrieve areas as large as small cities to look for outages or troubles if you will. It is an extremely detailed replica of where our (OSPE) outside plant equipment is placed. While retrieving the blueprints we must have several applications and databases open. We already have some systems with 12900k processors and enormous amounts of ram that run much faster than our older computers.
In 2022 we still have information being transferred from the Trunk Inventory Records Keeping System (TIRKS) due to the huge amount of data that was built within it. The transfer process is much smoother with the 12900k systems that have DDR5 ram.
8 performance cores with 16 efficient cores are what's coming with the 13900k. In the future I see Intel increasing the performance cores and efficient cores to benefit gamers and companies like mine.
Isn't it possible for E Cores to be beneficial for future gaming software?
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